• Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
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Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
on: October 23, 2017, 15:04:28
Do any Kitchen members want to try this 7 note challenge ?

The challenge: Serj has written the first 7 notes of a new piece of music. Can you finish it? So long as you start with those 7 notes and keep the show to under 3 minutes, you're free to do as you wish.
Deadline December 15th - a chance to win $5000.

https://www.serjtankianchallenge.com/

Is an idea like this a possibility for an internal Kitchen Challenge in the future in any event ?
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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 20:26:52
Thanks for the tip-off @MrBouzouki . I do like Serj Tankian and could definitely use $5000....


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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 21:20:21
that is a great songwriting challenge @MrBouzouki  ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb::

i am in for trying this
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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 10:32:48
That is a interesting melody, C B D G Ab Eb G (assuming the treble clef)...full of promise and hints!  :D

I might have a go at this...certainly that melody makes me think of a way to go that I think will work... ;D

I'm curious how others would approach this, what thoughts do the melody presented conjure up?


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 13:27:53
hmmm I might try and build something around C (C), G (B,D,G) and Fm7 (Ab,Eb) chords


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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 16:26:20
Thanks for replying @DanJames  :D

Yeah, I like your thinking...that Fm7 possibly implying a switch to the parallel C minor, or at least modal exchange, that would work well I think.  :)

My idea was to start (similar to you) with Cmaj7 (C,B), G7 (D,G), but then Db9 (Ab,Eb), resolving back to Cmaj7 (G)...that crazy Db7 (or 9th) is seen all the time in jazz as a substitute for V7.  ;)


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 03:20:42
Nice! Sweet chords @DanJames and @Jim ! Typically the Db9 ( tri-tone sub for G7) would be preceded by the Dm7. That should fit right with what you are doing Jim. Chromatic coolness.  ;) Love it.
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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 11:53:24
Hey @Bill from November Sound it's nice to know there's another here who knows their jazz theory!  :D  I think last time I mentioned the tritone sub everyone shuffled out of the room, which is why I didn't speak its name in my previous post.   :-X  I'm forever using them these days...at least half my songs have at least one in.  Here I was thinking of omitting the Dm7 or ii chord as it's going G7 Db7 C and you can have the same chromatic drop (D-Db-C) in the bass by inverting the G7...I'm sure that's been done before, but can't be bothered to find an example.  :P


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #8 on: November 11, 2017, 12:39:31
*silently tip-toes backwards and slowly releases the door handle....*


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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 13:24:53
*silently tip-toes backwards and slowly releases the door handle....*

You see?  It's happened again!   :o


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #10 on: November 11, 2017, 14:45:05
Don't worry @Jim nobody is reading this thread anyway.  :D  Now, if @MrBouzouki had titled it "$5000 Free Money" then things might be different.  :)

You know, harmonizing it might disqualify you. According to the rules you have to use the 7 notes first, any octave and no tempo restriction. The chords would also count as pitches, no? Also, there is nothing in the rules about the rhythm so I'm not sure if the "tempo restriction" clause addresses that or not. 

If you use those 7 notes as melody it really seems to lock you into the key of C or C minor.


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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 15:56:46
« Last Edit: November 11, 2017, 16:16:58 by Jim »
I was thinking about the harmonization thing, it's not really clear from the rules, I imagine it's OK to have harmony there, but to be on the safe side, I could just present the melody all by itself, then have the chord notes creep in on the next pass...  ;D

But now you've got me thinking about leaving the whole thing in C minor throughout...that could work...something like Cmin (C), Ebaug (B) Bdim (D), G7 (G), Fmin (Ab) G13b (Eb), Cmin (G)...sounds a bit more old fashioned but quite grand.  8)

Oh I suppose it wouldn't be a challenge if there weren't lots of possibilities.  :o

EDIT: corrected chords


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 23:11:03
True, the Bdim is very flamboyantly old fashioned. You don't really need it as the G7 does it all over there. But if that's the kind of harmonic movement you want then go for it!

We're messing up Mr. B's thread. We totally need to start a thread where we can talk jazz harmony.  :)


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Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #13 on: November 12, 2017, 11:41:07
Good point @Bill from November Sound...sorry for hijacking your thread @MrBouzouki:-[


Re: Serjtankian 7 note Challenge
Reply #14 on: November 12, 2017, 13:25:04
What language are you guys talking in anyway? LOL!  ::Suzy::



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