the next songwriting challenge

Okay @Dutchbeat is this official?
Are you going to make an official proclamation?

YES! right... @Bill from November Sound ...we will go for the TWO CHORDS songwriting challenge then, as our next challenge 

and you are in! right?

@Bill from November Sound
@Mo
@Dutchbeat
@oorlab
.......
@LePlongeur ?
.....

@all, feel free to join this songwriting challenge

@Dutchbeat

I'll give it a try DB.

@Dutchbeat

I'll give it a try DB.

Great @Vince

so we have the following participants in the.....

two chords songwriting challenge !

 
@Bill from November Sound
@Mo
@Dutchbeat
@oorlab
@Vince
.......
@LePlongeur ?
.....

feel free to join in, @all 

Yesterday I wrote and recorded my track that I made for a possible entry.
The confines of this challenge plus the illusion that makes us believe that every one is a winner, is giving me doubts. The only way to vote is to spread my points so thinly, that everyone loses. The top three are separated by one point each. I think there should be a clear cut winner.
That way we have more suspence and more dynamics.

This evening I will listen again to my track, thus creating some distance between the moment of the crime and a more objective valuation.

If I am not convinced of certain qualities there, I will not enter. I don't have to win. But I will have to be able to convince myself that it's all worth it.
I am afraid i can sugar it up more nicely @Dutchbeat
You know how ambivalent I am towards these challenges.
To be continued.....

Kind regards, Gus

I have to say I agree with @LePlongeur  .... @Dutchbeat  @Mar T.  .... the voting system is really weird.
Almost as bad as American presidential election. .... sort of .... but in a different way.

Don't touch that button @Bill from November Sound , it is what it is. I think it's great and we'll see if we can improve later.. Not time to alter the software atm.. So this is the 'system'/'process' for now.. Sorry..

Well @LePlongeur  that's your answer.

But, hey, it's still fun to write something new! Right? Just think of it as a random chance that you possibly might maybe sort of win.   

Thank you
@Mar T.
@Dutchbeat
@Bill from November Sound

When I don’t like the way the wind is blowing, I need to adjust the sails.
Have a nice weekend.
Kind regards, Gus

@LePlongeur  @Bill from November Sound

Me also think the voting poll for challenges  could be adjust a bit more -  point wise(!)  etc and  I undersrtand very well that Mark T. don't want change the software by itself but i think that isn't needed to please you.

Maybe try out  the poll options by your own by open a new thread with a poll. Then you will see the range of possibilities to create a voting system as you think will work nicly. Please  suggest the best way  for the kitchen challenges.  I'm sure that is an easy way to do  and adjust the votings.

 it's been pretty plain to me, (from the times I've entered and voiced dislike of the voting system!) that the point system with its "insistence" that you give points to "everyone" and the renaming of competitions to challenges etc, that the system is designed to mirror those kindergarten sports days where "everyone" gets a medal , not hurt anyone's feelings , nurture the insecure and so hopefully maximise the number of participants.  unfortunately , I'm not sure it does maximise the number of participants...
 

There's a saying ( not sure if they have it there in the UK....) @Dakoda  ....

"You can't fight city hall."

 

The elephant in the room is the voting system so if nobody votes,  then the challenge becomes about creating some music to the brief, not about competing. So why do we vote exactly ?

Why not just have the challenge for the sake of music and forget about points ?

What's this thing about coming first or competing and is it standing in the way of people, like say @Dakoda who doesn't like the system, engaging in the challenge ?

It's not like there are any prizes .... so just why do we have all the malarkey around voting ? Isn't it enough to just enter ? Do people only enter to win ? I don't think so.

I take my hat off to all that enter as I've never entered a competition all the time I've been on here. I work too slowly / don't really work to a brief, my creative process is too random I guess for a formalised system.

Just my viewpoint :-)

 

@LePlongeur  @Bill from November Sound

Me also think the voting poll for challenges  could be adjust a bit more -  point wise(!)  etc and  I undersrtand very well that Mark T. don't want change the software by itself but i think that isn't needed to please you.

Maybe try out  the poll options by your own by open a new thread with a poll. Then you will see the range of possibilities to create a voting system as you think will work nicly. Please  suggest the best way  for the kitchen challenges.  I'm sure that is an easy way to do  and adjust the votings.

Thank you @Mo for first trying to experiment.. We've done hard work back then to try to implement an extra feature (extra choice for any challenge 'host', that can be any kitchener who's allowed to post in the kitchen) to the 'poll' feature of our kitchen-forum-software-environment (where (before) 'hosts' almost only had the opportunity to select the: PM the winner to the admins please 'option' ). The voting with points is just the feature I provided (after we (mins/mods) carefully listened to the community), so that the community would be able to have a new (requested/needed)  feature to experiment with.
Everybody is free to organize a challenge.. And challenge 'host' is free to choose the voting system they prefer. Two possible 'forms'/'formats' are:
1. The 'host' asking the challengers and all interested kitcheners'
2.  'Using a poll (a poll can have different 'forms'/'formats' as well, like the 'voting with points' feature I provided by altering a generic piece of the forum software, building on top* of a forum software mod provided by the 'forum software community' I follow).
 
The part I love about 'voting with points' @Dakoda and @LePlongeur is indeed that it gives the 'host' (I hosted a lot of challenges (formerly: 'competitions' that we (mins/mods) 'in connection' with the community renamed to 'challenges'), and we received a lot of positive feedback to those 2 changes ), an extra voting 'format' to experiment with. Certainly not 'the only option' to use 'voting with points'.

I hosted most of the 'challenges' last years, and I'm in love with the way we can express empathy and support for each other ('challengers') using the 'voting with points' feature (dialed in correctly, like eg @Mo is exploring right now). And I love how this 'format' shows all the support for each entry. Every 'challenger' sees his/her 'contribution' is appreciated.. And the results are often remarkableby close.

In contrary as 'host' asking everybody (challengers/members) to just PM the 'winner' gives us a far less detailed 'idea' of how everybody's 'contribution' is suppported/appreciated. The result would be: aaaaannnnndddd.... 'Pietje' is the winner! Nothing else.

For the challenges I host I found a good way to use the 'voting with points' format and by dialing in the 'max points per entry' and the 'total available points to 'spread over' all the options (see results of the last challenges I hosted)). So yes I used the feature I think fits our 'challenges'. But let me be clear: everybody's free to organize and run a challenge. When you organize a challenge; think about how you're going to collect votes (as you might understand now, there's a lot of formats, and no format is the 'right' format). So as a host: feel free to choose the format.

When I host challenges (and with my perception of the atmosphere here in the kitchen) the challenges I introduce once a while to our community will most likely almost have the incentive to stimulate each other to get to 'create something' and share that with our community. So that we can enjoy each others 'work'  and avoid presenting results as a bold conclusion (like 'there's only one winner here). With the 'voting with points' option as a format I 'as a host' can choose to provide support to all 'challengers' by (after the event) presenting everybody had collected points. And I like that format a little bit more because of that..

Wow, now I'm really tired.. Just felt I 'needed' to explain this matter once more again. Didn't have the energy yesterday @Bill from November Sound , sorry. Hope my 'writing' helps a bit now. Also for you @LePlongeur .. I'm saying: the wind is coming from all directions. But every kitchen-member is free to choose which direction he/she is going and choose the 'sail' that helps heading in the 'desired' direction.

When I organize challenges I use the 'voting with points' voting format.
When anybody else organises a challenge: there's more options than just 'voting with points'. And when you organize a challenge: just think about the rules and the 'voting system' you will use when you start the challenge. So no challengers are left behind dissapointed because they expected a more detailed/general result.

Something like that. Mmmm probably should go sleep when I express more than a few words..

Love, Peace and Cheers,
Mar. T



* I altered this https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2913 to suit the kitchen software platform needs back then. Thanks for the original forum software (SMF) community member (Emanuelle) for this donation to the software community!

Ok, sorry for have stirred up old things, I didn't knew it was such a history behind. Thanks for explaining all this again but maybe it wasn't necessary.
Always great someone is investing time and energy for others while receiving back practically nothing.Thank you @Mar T.  & team
Thank you btw, for mention me in the Newsletter, too. It wasn't necessary either to do that. I don't like to get exposed for such  'normal' things,.
Again, this is just normal while behavior ( or more non-behaivior)  of  consuments who  usually lethargically mourn about themselves and life can't  or wan't do anything is what is NOT normal.  For those its obviously a bad calculation invest energy to get back no money.
A few will know where I talk about, if i think there is such  pricelsess stuff we get back Just most ppl are too shortsighted to get that.

Well, however. I love the kitchen

Personally it absolut doesnt matter to me whats the challenge result process  or how to vote at the end. I know, there won't be any other host than the admins& Mods ..... but  I don't need a voting at all too. I' agree 100% with  @MrBouzouki  statement.
If you ask me... just let the play begin.

Edit: I want add, that i  even find it incredible stupid  if members  don't take the chance and don't take action within any kitchen activities ! Its stupid just to consume this  without bring in anything. Every mamber who don't act is to blame for slow death of the foruzm cultures.  Its unebeliveble egoistic just post songs for review to get patted the ego!  Back from my history i loose respect for those.

Thank you btw, for mention me in the Newsletter, too. It wasn't necessary either to do that. I don't like to get exposed for such  'normal' things,.

Oh, maybe we should have discussed that with you first @Mo , before we mentioned you.. I hope you see it comes from our kitchen  and with all good intentions. Sorry if it made you feel exposed in the way you describe..

Again, this is just normal while behavior ( or more non-behaivior)  of  consuments who  usually lethargically mourn about themselves and life can't  or wan't do anything is what is NOT normal.  For those its obviously a bad calculation invest energy to get back no money.
A few will know where I talk about, if i think there is such  pricelsess stuff we get back Just most ppl are too shortsighted to get that.

Wow, beautifully explained and 100% completely agree with you @Mo !

Cheers, Love and Peace,
Mar T.