• Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
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Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
on: March 26, 2016, 02:50:42
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 04:12:01 by MartiMedia »
After a long debate in the Kitchen Vision (and related) threads we decided (in our management summit this month) to integrate the WIP and 'Finished Songs' section to one 'Songs/Dishes' board.
Arguments:
-The WIP section is visited way less than the 'Finished songs' section but at the same time this is also the section where feedback should be most useful. A big contradictionary!  So we'll encourage teamwork/interaction by integrating both boards and we consider that a 'good' thing.
-Whether to call a song a 'WIP' or 'Finished' is far too dependent on individual 'taste' (Sometimes WIP's will be posted in 'Finished' and some 'Finished' songs are posted in 'WIP')
-It's better to have a 'Collaboration' board to encourage team-work-in-progress to really get the kitchen firing up to it's full potential. We should really focus more on this new section. WIP is being only a distracting factor to prevent energy to be invested into the right 'needs' of us 'kitcheners/kitchenettes' ::)
-Posting a song in 'Finished' will always result in feedback and if the song was really 'finished': for what reason we're asking feedback then?  ;)

Because this is a major change in the forum stucture I'd like to check if we have a majority of active members agreeing with our arguments.

Actions (Unless there's a lot of resistance to this decision):
-I'll develop a model that we can reference to specify what stage the song we're posting is in, and to specify what we want feedback on. I'd like to request help from @Rachel_D to help me with that model visually.
-I'll merge all WIP and Finished posts into the new 'Songs/Dishes' thread, so not a single post gets lost.

Let us know!
MM

History:
Vision development:
https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/life/vision-the-2016-kitchen/
Spin off:
https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/life/should-we-split-the-finished-work-section-into-finished-songs-and-finished-produ/
https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/life/how-do-we-provide-helpful-feedback-to-each-other/


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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 09:49:34
All your thoughts seem very reasonable to me and I believe this is a very good idea.
And I take a great interest in the model you're developing. I imagine that it can help a lot, when you have to consider where exactly you're standing in the development of the diffrent aspects of a song. Looking forward to that! And also to a visualisation from Rachel...  ;)

Cheers,
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 09:56:59
29.3. for closing the poll is may a bit early.
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 10:24:31
 ::MartiMedia:: Nice icon you've got for yourself MM :o How did you get yours moves?  ;D

If this is a poll, I vote for combining finished and WIP songs  :) Yeh! there's the smiley I've been missing  :) :) :) :) :) thanks

Most of my songs are, and probably always well be, a WIP, but I never think to put it in that section, so this is a good idea  ::thumb::

'Finished' is kind of relative, so even if the author of a song, thinks it's finished, it's still nice to get feedback  ;)

I like the idea of a collaboration board, where we can really help each other out  ::Suzy::


Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 15:21:23
I agree that we should merge the two and be clear on what feedback we are looking for in our posts!! Look forward to seeing the new model!


Thanks @MartiMedia !





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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #5 on: March 28, 2016, 15:47:46
How did you get yours moves?
It's an animated gif CS...
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Ok thanks all for your response so far! Just a little bump for those that didn't see/participate in the poll yet..

MM


Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 21:22:51
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 21:46:30 by Rachel_D »
Hey!

I also agree with the integration of the two boards after reading the arguments outlined by MM. I agree with the points brought forward and think it’s a very reasonable decision.
Rachel  ::Rachel::
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 21:45:12
I agree to disagree  ;D
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #8 on: March 29, 2016, 21:50:25
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 21:54:52 by MartiMedia »
Ok cool Rachel! I found a way to model the state of a song, maybe I'll introduce it as a software implementation, still testing..
Hey JB, may I ask why thy disagree? Maybe we missed an important consequence..
Thanx everybody for thinking with us and voting!
MM


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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #9 on: March 29, 2016, 21:54:59
i agree with that @ Jambrains 


;D ;D ;D ;D

 but let's integrate those boards

but call that one board: Work in Progress (WIP)
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
come on, because who of us ever really felt like a track was completely finished   ::) ::) ::) ::)

but.... ;D ;D ;D..."songs" is ok too  :P ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 23:00:43
I also agree with combining the boards.

Where a song is, is all relative and often even if we think it's finished, the feedback we get gets us to reassess the song.

Maybe we also need a "published" area? Where songs that definitely are finished and have maybe been released or published somewhere. So too late for feedback but still interested in comments?

cheers

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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #11 on: May 20, 2016, 00:39:55
Hi fellows, a while ago we decided to integrate the WIP and finished songs boards. Just one last round before we will execute the merge of WIP and finished.
See the reasoning/rationale in the opening post.
Any objections?
MM
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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #12 on: May 20, 2016, 13:43:41
I don't have objections at all, and i am also ok with calling the integrated "finished song" section and "work in progress section" just: "songs"

or "Original songs" ???


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Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #13 on: May 20, 2016, 15:12:25
Yes 'Original Songs' would do fine imo!


Re: Should we integrate WIP and Finshed songs?
Reply #14 on: May 20, 2016, 21:41:29
Sounds good MM - away so will keep short.. Should you call it 'songs for review'? 'Original songs' also good...

Just a thought...



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