• Is your song set in stone?
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Is your song set in stone?
on: February 27, 2019, 21:23:01
I'm always messing with my songs, different arrangements , maybe changing words, etc.. Some of you would have a hard time recognizing a later version from when I first wrote it. This may be why I'm not a prolific song writer (because I'm always messing with the old stuff)

I was just wondering about the other songwriters out there. Is your stuff set in stone? - or are they always works in progress?  I play mine over and over, but do other people ever go back and play their composition again after they've recorded it?  - or just go on to the next one?

(With so much music released these days I don't even go back to listen to songs I heart-ed on the Sound Cloud because I'm swamped with new releases - never enough time to listen to them all.)

I wrote a song about 20 some years ago and I think I've finely got an arrangement I like, I've always tried it in different keys, but this time I put it in a whole new chord progression. It's worked wonders for the song.

Or if you perform songs from other artists - do you make changes to them to fit your style, or is other people's stuff set in stone also? Me, I'm not a singer so I'll transpose a song I like to play into a key that suits my voice.

Just wondering if I'm unique.

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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #1 on: February 27, 2019, 22:04:30
in a way @Vince i think you are not alone.... ;D ;D ;D ;D i think many people go back to old songs, and it usually is a worthwhile experience

in my experience, i wish i would do it more often, and also..would be capable of doing

good questions...

and...do let us hear the result of your new take on your old song from 20 years ago!




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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #2 on: February 27, 2019, 22:54:49
Nice topic @Vince  !!!!

Original music:
I'm always way ahead (months, years even...) of Will and Melissa ( and sometimes Tom) I go over and over and over before I record anything.... I drive them crazy.
After lyrics and melody and chords ... I try to think about the key and how that works for her voice and for the song
(I hate being a songwriter who can't sing.....)
We practice it live and come up with an arrangement.
I record Piano, I record Bass, I mess around with the arrangement more …
Will adds the drums ... I mess around with all the takes to make the very best
I do a static mix, EQ everything, I slot out frequencies where my girl's voice goes
Finally record the vocals
 ------    at this point no structure changes -----
Mix it
  - a lot of work
 - lots of versions until it is good
Master it
Sound Cloud - it
--- still make changes
Distribute it   
-- this is final


Covers:
This is my art. I change it all the time. I drive them nuts!!!!  :doublebonk:
I'm an improvising musician and I love it.  :D Melissa will be holding some long note at the end  ::)... and I'm going off the hook with new reharmonizations ... and I never end the song the same way. Ha Ha !!!!   ;D
Melissa will be doing her thing but in the back Will and I …. "what's going on back there?" He's doing some ridiculous polyrhythmic break, I'm hitting jazz chords. It's mayhem. We love it.

And, yes, always change the key to what is best!
Bill
Songwriter, Keyboards, Arranger, Producer & Engineer for November Sound

November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.


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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #3 on: February 28, 2019, 00:16:07
Well @Dutchbeat  I have the early version and new version posted on my sound cloud  (although I just recently recorded both) the new version is called "Soar" I was calling it "Soar Like An Eagle"  I would post it in songs for review but I'm hopeless in fixing recordings it's easier for me to do the whole thing over, and it will probably be redone anyway.

They are in between a playlist I reposted from one of your Dutch  hommies - he manages an open mic  that I've been going to to try and cure my stage freight (I'm not passing out from fear anymore so small progress is being made).

@Bill from November Sound  Reading your process I think my recordings would TOTALLY be set in stone.

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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #4 on: February 28, 2019, 10:36:38
My take on this subject is that if songs are like your children then you can try and shape them and allow them to grow but there comes a moment when you need to set them free. 

:farewell: :farewell: :farewell:

 
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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #5 on: February 28, 2019, 14:07:02
I write fairly quickly....very often shaping up lyrics as I am in the recording process. Once I have the song tracked and posted here I listen to what you folks have to say and sometimes make some adjustments. After that, though, that baby bird has left the nest. I never go back to it.

I am usually experimenting  with something new within days of finishing a song.
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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #6 on: February 28, 2019, 19:40:32
@Leonard Scaper   you are one of the more prolific songwriters on this forum , as well as one of the more prominent song reviewers.

If you don't mind mind me asking, how many songs do you have in your catalog? 


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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 19:59:39
Hey @Vince   ..I had to go to my Soundclick site to check.....290 on that site. There are a few cassettes lying around from before the DAW days but I'm afraid to play them.  ;)


Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #8 on: February 28, 2019, 22:37:26
Dang @Leonard Scaper  290 songs?!?!? 

  :o.             :o


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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #9 on: February 28, 2019, 22:39:56
yes @Bill from November Sound .....but I honestly think that I am really writing the same song over and over until I get it right.  ;)


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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #10 on: March 01, 2019, 16:49:20
You are right, Leonard. I write two songs.
A slow song.
And a somewhat faster one.
And nobody does those two better than me.

Of course I listen to what the kind people here have to say about my music.
But the improvements are ‘practiced’ in newer songs. Not in newer versions of the song I posted here.
It’s not that my songs are cast in stone, but keeping on adding improvements would keep me from writing new ones.

Yes, I am guilty.
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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #11 on: March 01, 2019, 17:32:55
@Leonard Scaper, your post reminds me of me.  Sometimes I gets antsy to finish a song because I get anxious to start a new one.  It's unstoppable!  :dance: :thumbsup:
Do what makes your heart sing :)


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Re: Is your song set in stone?
Reply #12 on: March 01, 2019, 17:36:29
Sometimes I gets antsy to finish a song because I get anxious to start a new one.  It's unstoppable!  :dance: :thumbsup:

That is just what happens to me often @Kellyanneg . That's why I don't grind for long on a song these days. When I am smiling while listening back to a mix.....it's done.  :)



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