• We Are All Musicians
  • Started by Leonard Scaper
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
  • Leonard Scaper
  • Global Moderator
  • Executive Chef
  • *
  • *
  • Guest Chef

    • 2832


    • 1054
    • Today at 02:04:39
    • Terra Firma
  • more
We Are All Musicians
on: August 29, 2018, 14:04:18
Not so deep down, aren't we ALL musicians?

I think that we are.

Here is an interesting read on the subject:

http://www.elizabethmargulis.com/blog/2015/1/14/aeon-magazine-the-music-in-you-1
"The main thing is to have a gutsy approach....but use your head." Julia Child

 "In a world of robotic conformity, the only originality left in music is the imperfections" Eric Craptone

"Special thanks to Steve Gleason for making me who I am today." Leonard Scaper

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=540680


  • MrBouzouki
  • Chef de Partie
  • *
  • "Let the Creators Create" :-)

    • 874


    • 475
    • November 19, 2018, 21:26:39
    • Sheffield, UK
    • https://www.facebook.com/Mr.Bouzouki.Music/ https://www.youtube.com/user/MisterBouzouki https://soundcloud.com/mrbouzouki
  • more
Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #1 on: August 29, 2018, 21:31:22
Interesting Article :-)

"Love and Life is all about connections"


Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 02:43:28
I think this is true. I also think many musicians don't want it to be.

..... kind of like when the old man in downtown Mystic, CT. says, "I've been playing out 'professionally' for 40 years."   ::)


Being good at music isn't all that helpful. Music education research shows that there are many people that have more musical aptitude than any of us - they just don't choose to "play" music.


Bill
Songwriter, Keyboards, Arranger, Producer & Engineer for November Sound

November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.


Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 04:40:23
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 04:41:56 by Bluedusksun »
Being good at music isn't all that helpful. Music education research shows that there are many people that have more musical aptitude than any of us - they just don't choose to "play" music.

I'm going to state that I didn't read the article, time constraints of course. I do tend to lurk around the forum at night sometimes and saw this response from Big Bill. I notice that further down the line in musical expression for an artist is that a good musical foundation/education makes it easier for the artist to make more intricate musical statements, but do agree to a certain extent about a rigid traditional structure not mattering in the long run. I have also seen that natural talent, creative ability, passion, and determination play integral vital roles in an artists musical development.

I've met guitarists /bassists that could mimic the best , but couldn't write their own music. I've seen talented song writers without a voice, I've seen people completely suck but work at it to become amazing musicians in time, and I've seen the extremely talented people that don't even know it.

I will say it now, and ten years down the line. Music is personal expression. It's the little slices of self, personal intimate declarations and documentations of moments and feelings in time. It's something special that transcends.

Felt like sharing, my two cent rant. Maybe I should find the time to read the article,  :blackgrin:

~Rich
We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;ó
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.


Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #4 on: September 05, 2018, 02:38:52
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 04:33:48 by Bill from November Sound »
Hey there @Bluedusksun ! I'm probably more of a "Medium Sized Bill" ..... unless, of course, you're going by height then I may perhaps be a "Tall But Somewhat Slender Bill". Ha,ha!!  ;D :D         (Either way it's all better than Buffalo Bill, Wild Bill or Billy the Kid.) :) :) :) :)


  • LePlongeur
  • Chef de Partie
  • *
  • In Tartiflette we trust

    • 654


    • 225
    • Yesterday at 19:23:29
    • Greater Amsterdam
  • more
Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #5 on: September 05, 2018, 08:41:40
Hey there @Bluedusksun ! I'm probably more of a "Medium Sized Bill" ..... unless, of course, your going by height then I may perhaps be a "Tall But Somewhat Slender Bill". Ha,ha!!  ;D :D         (Either way it's all better than Buffalo Bill, Wild Bill or Billy the Kid.) :) :) :) :)

When the moment comes, when I am the one whoís going to have to pick up the bill, iíll be really grateful for you to be medium sized.
You may be medium sized, your music isnít. What I have heard so far itís great.
Kind regards, Gus


  • Leonard Scaper
  • Global Moderator
  • Executive Chef
  • *
  • *
  • Guest Chef

    • 2832


    • 1054
    • Today at 02:04:39
    • Terra Firma
  • more
Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #6 on: September 05, 2018, 14:30:55
@Bluedusksun .....excellent insights.

Interesting perspective as well @Bill from November Sound .

I am hanging at the beaches in sunny Mexico at the moment where there is music everywhere. I watch folks who do not appear to be musically inclined during the day move to the beat wonderfully at night.

Of course, there could also be a correlation between musical expression and alcohol consumption. I may look into that further tonight.


Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #7 on: September 06, 2018, 03:30:17
@Bill from November Sound

I think I got into the habit of calling you "Big Bill" cause I was watching the recent It movie lol. I can refer to you as medium sized bill in the future :)

@Leonard Scaper
Be safe traveling man, and enjoy yourself. Planning on getting down to Mexico myself hopefully next year sometime.


Also on a total random note I did read some of the article today and liked the notions that people have a natural inclination to relative pitch. That computers had extreme trouble replicating that I found interesting.

That and I stopped just when they were getting into how Rhythm is a great indicator for musical comprehension. Remember seeing a video where some guy was talking about  how a lot of famous guitarists/singers were once Drummers.


  • Mar T.
  • Senior Site Administrator
  • Michelin Starred Chef
  • *
  • *
  • Pay it forward! (watch that movie..)

    • 6091


    • 1638
    • Yesterday at 23:24:29
    • Duiven
    • http://twitter.com/MartiMediaSC http://www.facebook.com/MartiMedia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBmQkchurQ https://soundcloud.com/martimedia
  • more
Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #8 on: September 06, 2018, 05:20:45
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 02:29:34 by Mar T. »
@Leonard Scaper , Steve, first of all I hope you're enjoying your break in Mexico!! I wish you the best time of your life there!!  ;) ;)

What an excellent article you've found here! I think we should add it to our 'Songwriting Ingredients' section..
The article felt 100% natural to me. It's about (scientifically proved) facts/learning effects, and I'm sure a lot of us recognise these facts. And those facts (imo) are crucial for everybody (especially in this forum community) to be familiar with.

My main take-aways in this article were that this means that on a meta-level (almost) everybody understands music and 'knows' what's 'right' and 'wrong' about what 'they' hear. People who are not professional musicians nor music-theory-experts only 'lack' knowledge to explain why something sounds 'right' or 'wrong'. And from my experience I want to give this as a pointer to all listerners in our beautiful community (we all share our own songs but we listen to others as well don't we?).

To be sure first a disclaimer. For all kitcheners: we are both listeners AND writers! The more experienced 'writers' among us may be able to help better determining 'why' a given pointer sounds 'right' or 'wrong' to the listener. But in general being 'listener' or 'writer' is just the role we're in at the moment of experiencing music. 

So we, as listeners, can help the writers by feeding back when we feel 'right' or 'wrong' at any spot in a submitted song for review. We don't have to tell why. Nor does that mean that you're 'really' 'right' or 'wrong' (it's all subjective). Deciding what to do with 'your' truth is up to the writer.
The writer will appreciate all comments, just because the listeners (subjectively) identify all kind of different perspectives (the writer didn't think of). Those pointers are priceless, a gift, and very valuable!

For the writers: listen carefully what the listeners say... and be thankful they took time to help you improve by leaving a comment. This article tells me (as a listener, but also as a songwriter) that it's so important to embrace every single pointer that a listener gives you. Don't underestimate listeners. Although the listener may not be able to perform, explain or express music themselves; they truely are 'experts' in music, just like you!

I recommend this read to every kitchen member!!
Cheers!
:mart:


  • Mar T.
  • Senior Site Administrator
  • Michelin Starred Chef
  • *
  • *
  • Pay it forward! (watch that movie..)

    • 6091


    • 1638
    • Yesterday at 23:24:29
    • Duiven
    • http://twitter.com/MartiMediaSC http://www.facebook.com/MartiMedia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBmQkchurQ https://soundcloud.com/martimedia
  • more
Re: We Are All Musicians
Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 01:32:28
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 02:36:40 by Mar T. »
Damn, seems I've inherited some MADministrator skills from @Dutchbeat ... haha ok ok, I talk too much.. when I have time to talk that is..

Ran into this TED-talk today:

https://vimeo.com/240151944

Maybe it's a bit off-topic, but it might explain that there's no needed skills for individuals in a swarm like our community ( talked about that earlier with @MichaelA ) because we'll collectively decide if a 'given song' is moving into the (generally perceived) 'right' direction.
I hope this TED-talk above inspires lots of you. You don't need skills to either listen (to) or create songs. Our 'swarm' (community) will likely help to navigate your work/your listening skills to the 'right' direction (and that is the direction we COLLECTIVELY hear).

We can turn that around, since 'right' or 'truth' is subjective. By being part of this community you can be assured that you'll develop in a way that is liked by the kitcheners as a collective.  And if all's good you (as a kitchen member) like that as well, because you feel at home in our swarm..

Pff ok I really talk to much (when I talk).. Let us know.. How do you think about the article @Leonard Scaper posted?
And (given the swarm theory in the Ted talk), do you feel safe to post your work on our forum and trust that 'we (jncluding you haha)' will help you with 'our' collective intelligence?
Curious!

Cheers!
Mar T.
:mart:




wink
What musicians are

Started by fischermans on Life

0 Replies
196 Views
Last post April 17, 2014, 10:06:08
by fischermans
smiley
Hello fellow musicians!

Started by Phott on Me

8 Replies
370 Views
Last post November 18, 2015, 15:08:38
by fischermans
xx
Hi fellow musicians!

Started by gabrivux on Me

15 Replies
466 Views
Last post December 15, 2017, 20:19:57
by gabrivux
xx
New York street musicians

Started by Mar T. on Life

3 Replies
316 Views
Last post January 03, 2016, 20:09:12
by Rachel_D
xx
life expectancy of pop musicians

Started by Dutchbeat on Life

1 Replies
266 Views
Last post April 04, 2015, 11:43:14
by digger72