• ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
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?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
on: January 31, 2016, 20:33:42
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 18:36:25 by fischermans »
I tried to write an Irish folk song.Hope I create something. ;)

?Good Friday Agreement?

Strophe 1
Once we where young untroubled and free
Always protesting and never agree
We grow up swayed by Sinn Fein
Assured to we would win as if life was a game
Once we got older where asked to fight
Childhood was over no more light

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
Assured to be right with what we pray
But we be guilty in every sense
Instead to rip we put up a fence

Strophe 2
One of us got lost on the way
We killed his murders the other day
Time was hard some nights blood red
Each day we awaited our dead
Nights with laughter, music and beer
Playing hard to drown out the fear

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
Assured to be right with what we pray
But we where guilty in every sense
Instead to rip we put up a fence

Strophe 3
Violence stopped but hate might never end
The ?Good Friday Agreement? made sense
No more bombs no more fights no more kills
Our life is now without all these thrills
Too many innocents lost their life?s
only the idea of freedom survives

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
Assured to be right with what we pray
But we where guilty in every sense
Instead to rip we put up a fence

? Voice, Words and Music Alexander Fisch aka fischermans ><(((?> ?


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 16:35:34
No one? Is it that bad? ;D


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 16:43:38
no it looks pretty excellent to me, to be honest

just slipped trough

and i find it a tricky subject....
me, myself, and Pie


Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 17:31:51
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 16:06:39 by Zedd »
This is also a tricky subject for sure - I'm probably too close to it to be able to read it in the same way as a non Irish person and I would never write a song on this subject so I've been scratching my chin a little with it..

There are some things in the lyrics which I think would need to change to reflect more the situation you're writing about..

Although the sides are dictated by what religion you are, there is no actual connection with religion or prayer, it's more an accident of birth i.e. in general the Catholic population will be Nationalist and the Protestants, Unionist. Obviously to be involved in violence is a active choice outside of this regardless of side or religion. So I have suggested a change to reflect that. Some of the words also don't really fit in the context of the lines so I've suggested changes to those also.. I also removed "Irish" from "Irish music" because it's kind of a given in the context of the song... And then of course the other lines didn't rhyme so I put some suggestions in there too!!

Obviously just suggestions and as I said. Feel free to ask the what and the why if you want more explanation around why I have suggested specific changes!! Hope the amount of strikethrough doesn't give you a headache!

Z

Strophe 1
Once we were young, untroubled, and free
Always be against fighting, we never agreed
We grew up swayed by Sinn Fein
Assured to we would win if only as if life was a game
Once we got older we were asked to fight
Childhood was over, the end of our light  no more light

Refrain
We were heroes of each day
Assured to be right with what we pray
Our cause assigned by our given faith
But we were guilty, in every sense we can?t deny
Instead to rip we put up a fence
With every act, we increased the divide

Strophe 2
One of us got lost on the way
We killed his murderers on the other day
Time was hard, some nights blood red
Each day we awaited our dead
Nights with Irishlaughter, Music and beer
Did the whole lot Playing hard to forget about drown out the fear

Refrain
As above

Strophe 3
Violence stopped but hate might never ends
The ?Good Friday Agreement? made sense
No more bombs no more fights no more kills
Our life can resign is now without all these thrills
Too many heroes lost their lives
only the idea of freedom survives

Refrain


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 11:39:26
Hello Karen and many thanks. Some questions:

Strophe 1
Once we were young, untroubled, and free
Always be against fighting, we never agreed
I wrote be against because in the stage of child's the protagonists of my song don't fight. They only be against everything. Is it wrong english?
We grew up swayed by Sinn Fein
Assured to we would win if only as if life was a game
I changed it
Once we got older we were asked to fight
Childhood was over, the end of our light  no more light
I changed it

Strophe 2
One of us got lost on the way
We killed his murderers on the other day
I changed it
Time was hard, some nights blood red
Each day we awaited our dead
Nights with Irish laughter, Music and beer
I changed it
Did the whole lot Playing hard to forget about drown out the fear
I changed it

Strophe 3
Violence stopped but hate might never ends
Is it wrong otherwise I will leave it because in might is also a bit of hope
The ?Good Friday Agreement? made sense
No more bombs no more fights no more kills
Our life can resign is now without all these thrills
I changed it
Too many heroes lost their lives
only the idea of freedom survives

For the refrain I have to think bit more. Come back to you later.


Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 11:57:07
Hey Alexander!

Re your questions:

1. 'Be against' doesn't work here. You could use 'arguing' or the more intellectual and detached 'debating' if you're representing them arguing amongst themselves. Or if it's general opposition to things / authority or other you could use something like ' protesting', 'objecting', 'opposing' with 'protesting' working best (despite the slight irony of root of the word in this context 😳).

2. If you want to use 'might' here, you need to lose the 's' in ends - so '..hate might never end'.

Hope that helps!

K


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 12:02:55
Thats cool Karen I changed it. ;)


Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 17:50:23
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 18:17:38 by Zedd »
Hey Alexander..

One more comment you might want to consider- your second last line "Too many heroes lost their lives", personally I would change to "innocents" or even "people" if you don't wish to offend... There are many (myself included) who feel that there was nothing heroic about the years of killing, on both sides of the divide, which preceded the cessation of violence... It's a very difficult subject and as noted, one I would not personally touch with several barge poles  ;D ;D I do understand that you're writing it from a specific point of view but I figured I would point out the possible interpretation..
 
I missed it in my original review of the lyrics..

This is my week for serious lyrics on this site  ;).


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 18:36:00
Hey Karen, innocents is much better. To be serious I was also not happy with using the word heroes. Good to have you on board to discuss the lyrics.Thanks again. Come back because the refrain but takes a bit longer.  :D


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #9 on: February 13, 2016, 02:14:54
Hi Fischer,

Very powerful and extremely contentious lyrics. As someone who grew up in London during the 70s and early 80s when the IRA were very active and was personally affected by the Harrods bomding, I find this a hard song to read.

I agree with a lot of Zedd's comments.

I also think you need to be careful in using words like "hero" unless you are making a definitive statement about which side you are on.

From my understanding and having been to Belfast during the troubles, I think the young (especially young boys) aren't against everything. They were definitely against the other side. The streets that were either Catholic or Protestant were often next to each other but the flags and murals made it obvious there was a difference. The kids grow up being aware and as Zedd said, your choices weren't really choices but determined by location and birth.

Very thought provoking which is a sign of good lyrics but I think would be an uncomfortable song to listen to.

I think it's brave of you to tackle such a political subject in a song.

cheers

Jurgen


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #10 on: February 13, 2016, 11:15:00
@Juergen
Thanks a lot for your words. Hope in the end to find the best words with all this great help.
@Karen
For the refrain.Is this ok too or again wrong ?:
We were heroes of each day
Our cause assigned by our faith given way
But we were guilty, we can?t deny
With every act, we increased the divide


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #11 on: February 13, 2016, 18:53:52
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 16:55:55 by fischermans »
So we have:
?Good Friday Agreement?

Strophe 1
Once we where young untroubled and free
Always protesting and never agree
We grow up swayed by Sinn Fein
sure to win as if life was a game
Once we got older where asked to fight
Childhood was over no more light

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
our cause assigned by our faith given way
But we were guilty we can't deny
with every act we increased the divide

Strophe 2
One of us got lost on the way
We killed his murders the other day
Time was hard some nights blood red
Each day we awaited our dead
Nights with music, laughter and beer
Playing hard to drown out the fear

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
our cause assigned by our faith given way
But we were guilty we can't deny
with every act we increased the divide

Strophe 3
Violence stopped but hate might never end
The ?Good Friday Agreement? made sense
No more bombs no more fights no more kills
Our life is now without all these thrills
Too many people lost their life?s
only the idea of freedom survives

Refrain
We where heroes of each day
our cause assigned by our faith given way
But we were guilty we can't deny
with every act we increased the divide

? Voice, Words and Music Alexander Fisch aka fischermans ><(((?> ?


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #12 on: February 14, 2016, 07:51:06
reads well Fischer, a couple of grammar/spelling corrections could be made but when sung they wouldn't make any difference - e.g.: "where" should "we're"

I think this is a much improved version. When I read this version, today, I don't get the uncomfortable feeling I initially had.

Looking forward to hearing this as a song.

cheers

Jurgen


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Re: ?Good Friday Agreement? an Irish folk song
Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 19:06:27
This is a very brave song Fischermans, I too would be unlikely to tackle this. I know I am late to this so won't comment on the song, other than to admire what you've done. I do feel compelled to point out that reading back through the comments on this post makes me so proud to be part of a forum that can address such a difficult and sensitive subject in such a way. Well done everyone involved!
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