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Title: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: MrBouzouki on August 01, 2017, 16:36:08
I follow the Recording Revolution channel on YouTube.

Graham  Cochrane has created a 17 page general guide that seems a good overview of the song creation process from initial idea to the finished product.
I thought I'd upload it here in case it's of interest to Kitcheners.

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Home studio owners - are you looking for tips on how to record vocals, mix drums, or simply what home studio setup you really need?
You're in the right place. This is The Recording Revolution - a channel dedicated to helping you make better recordings and mixes in your home studio!
With weekly mixing tips and mixing tutorials as well as recording training tailored for the home studio, your recordings and mixes can't help but improve!
My name is Graham Cochrane and I can't wait for you to dive in to all the tutorials, tips, and training here on The Recording Revolution.

You can also follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/recordingrev
Or on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/recordingrevolution

Learn the 6 steps to create radio worthy songs in your bedroom studio with this FREE guide : http://radioreadyguide.com

Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Leonard Scaper on August 01, 2017, 20:45:28
I have watched quite a few of Graham's excellent videos. He has an easy style and his advice is solid.......works for me.
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Bill from November Sound on August 03, 2017, 15:54:17
I'm with you @MrBouzouki

The best thing about TRR is that Graham tells you "Stop Buying Things!"......because that is so difficult. There are just so many adds for new plugins. It gets crazy out there.

The other thing that I like is he encourages you to actually finish and share your songs. (that is always a problem for me)

It is probably best to buy one of his courses (when they go on sale or something) because if you just watch the youtube videos it can get a little bit random. His courses do have a sequence that you should follow like what is outlined in "radio ready guide".
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Ym on January 29, 2019, 19:57:59
Hello, new to the whole recording/mixing scene.
I am glad to have found this community.
Perhaps I overlooked it, where is the download of the pdf regarding the "6 steps....."?
Thank you, Ym
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Leonard Scaper on January 29, 2019, 20:59:24
Hey @Ym ......that link is at the very bottom of MrB's original post. Here it is again:

https://go.recordingrevolution.com/radio-ready-guide/

Welcome to The Kitchen!!! If you are looking for more tips on the many nuances of this whole recording thing, take a look at our Songwriting Ingredients section:

https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/songwriting-ingredients/26/

While you're at it.....check out a few threads to see what we are all up to and then perhaps start a thread of your own in our "Me" section to tell us a bit more about yourself.
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Ym on January 29, 2019, 22:09:27
Thank you Leonard
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Dutchbeat on January 29, 2019, 22:38:25
welcome to the kitchen forum @Ym  ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb::
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: oorlab on February 02, 2019, 12:10:42
@Ym  - welcome to the Forum, and thanks for digging up with @Leonard Scaper  the radio ready guide, very useful.
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Ym on February 02, 2019, 18:48:22
Thank you all for the warm welcome.  I am new to the digital production scene.  I 've always recorded and someone else did the backend. 

I've recently ventured into edrums on the high end and love what I can do.  I now have a Touchmix and stems to input in a DAW.  Now I need guidance on choosing a DAW. There are so many choices, it is overwhelming.  Even my close musicians buds use different DAWs.  What's a drummer to do?

I came across a video comparing ProTool to Reaper. His findings were very telling. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-0SKwEI_7Wc. I don't know if this is the whole story, but it's compelling.

I was considering Mixbus5 because of its affordability and long standing in the industry from the console perspective.  But Reaper seems appealing. 

What I don't want to do, especially as a newbie, is spend a lot of time with something to find out I can't work it. Any suggestion and guidance is most welcomed.

Thx Ym
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Dutchbeat on February 02, 2019, 20:36:52
hi @Ym

i can not tell the difference and give you advise, but....i can tell you that Reaper is really good in my opinion  ::thumb:: ::thumb::
@others...like @budhabuilding @Mar T. @Jambrains etc. probably can give you better advise on DAWs

but  ;D ;D ;D ;D Reaper is.... awesome  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Ym on February 03, 2019, 01:07:03
Any thoughts on Reason? 
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Bill from November Sound on February 03, 2019, 01:28:48
Hey @Ym   . @Bluedusksun is a drummer. Let's  see what DAW he uses?

I think @Pleudoniem plays e-drums inti his DAW. We can ask what DAW he uses as well.  ???

My son plays all my drum parts on an Electronic kit interfacing with EZDrummer sounds in Cubase for me. Percussion and some hi hat or snare parts are mic'ed and recorded the regular way.

Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Mar T. on February 03, 2019, 02:03:28
@Ym , I'm a happy Reaper user. Not only is it cheap as hell, imo it outperforms 'professional' solutions like Cubase. Just give it a try. It's small, functional, well-coded and runs all VST's and VSTi's.
They only ask for a $60 (or so) contribution to support further development. See https://www.reaper.fm/ for more details. Just my opinionated 2cts..  ;)
Getting used to working with a DAW will cost you some learning time anyway. Reaper is highly customisable and I cannot imagine use-cases where Reaper isn't applicable to your needs. Do you have more specific requirements that make you doubt which DAW choice will be the best for you?
Cheers!
Mar T.
:mart:

Btw. @MrBouzouki , great find, that PDF, read it and completely agree with everything stated in the document. Thx for sharing!
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Mar T. on February 03, 2019, 02:32:44
Any thoughts on Reason?

Just saw this question, @Ym  . Imo Reason is more like an EDM production environment than a DAW, as in: in a DAW you could yield the same results by using some synth plugins, but a DAW has a wider application. Imo Reason is more like an instrument you can use in a DAW. Standalone Reason is more like a multi-functional EDM instrument (imo). Disclaimer, last time I used Reason is like 5 ys ago, could be they've entered the DAW space last years, and I wouldn't know. What I know that Reason was (and probably IS) a great EDM instrument, that CAN be used inside Reaper (via their feature 'Rewire'. ;-)
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: budhabuilding on February 03, 2019, 12:44:14
@Ym great question(s)
Every Daw has some features that are better then others.. these are the DAW's i used and with a little opinion  ;D
(at the end there are some general issues for recording drums)

Reason is better in visualizing for people that are using hardware.. (including cables  ;))
Sounds and plugins are more dance hip hop and electronic style orientated.
Has a great cpu performance with their own plugins.
I used it until version 5 but didn't like the sound and sample browsing.
Not really easy to use for multi-track audio drum recording.

Cubase has some of the best sounding plugins and editing possibilities.
One of the best features is the chord track options...
Really easy for multi-track audio  recording
used it over 20 years and recorded more then 100 bands and albums with it
 (but now i'm a reaper user)

FL-studio is great for making dance, electronic, hiphop music.
Used it on stage and in the studio for dance music.
One of the best midi editors.
Not so great for multi-track recording... But their last update is finally making some recording and arranging stuff easy.
It's not easy to learn ... it still uses some way's that are typical for Fruityloops pattern editing....
So sometime you must think like it's an old school drum machine...
Has a really great visualizer... Which i still use live
Some great sounding instrument plugins and really great routing possibilities.

Ableton is one of the best clip launching systems. Great for electronic music.
Not great for multi-track recording but better then FL-studio.
If you like the design of the interface then all the plugins feel familiar.
Great routing possibilities and   max for live can be great for your own plugin design.
I used it most of the time for live performances.
I have  used it from the beta version 1 until version 7.
After version 7 audio stability getting worse.
I think it was fixed in version 9....
Lot of programmers left when version 7 was finished  and they started Bitwig  :o

Stagelight is great for using for portable devices and converting it sending it over to pc/mac.
Not great for multi-track. Use it a lot for making music on the go...(samsung phone,ipad Ios)

Acid is great for audio loops. Left Acid because it was not stable enough.
Has one of the best sample browsers. First audio groove options.
Don't like the multitrack features.... Maybe the new version of magix is more stable?

Reaper is my main DAW and i use it for recording and  live... (i left ableton for performances now 3 years and Cubase 6 years)
Has some great routing possibilities. I really like the customization of reaper.
No instruments but really good usable audio fx.
I have added a lot of scripts from reascript and sws extensions.
Use loudness analyzer every day.
Record a lot of drums with it.. audio and midi.

I also use Cubasis, Multitrack DAW, Gadget, Beatmaker 3, Noise, Garageband, and Caustic, etc on IOS and Android
But i think it out of scope for your question  ::)


Now some general things to think about  ;-)

One thing is very imported if you record midi drums. Every DAW has his own PPQ settings.
PPQ stands for pulses per quarter notes. Midi notes will be placed on these pulses.
So if you use a DAW with a lower PPQ then note can be placed more off.

Also midi interfaces can influence timing. The way timestamps are placed with midi events can be different in all DAW's
Cubase was one of the first to have a solution for this. Midex interfaces where designed to send midi event simultaneously.
Reaper can also change the way timestamps are added to event.
This can really influence timing and so the way you play your instruments.

If you use midi and the daw plays you instrument then your will hear some latency of your soundcard. It's the time your cpu needs to process the sound.

Also plugins can have some latency. This will be compensated after playing the recorded midi notes or audio . This is called PDC. Plugin delay compensation. For example: Kontakt drumlibraries has sometime Impulses responding reverb in the sound. Impulse response reverb plugin need PDC. So these will also influence the processing time.

So if you want to record midi drums with an electronic drumkit.
- Use a high PPQ DAW. (or speed up the tempo  ;))
- Use a soundcard with as low possible latency.
- Don't use drumplugins which need PDC

Sometime i use the drum sound module to get no delay at all.
But this will influence the way the drums are being played in velocity.

Hope it helps ....

 
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Pleudoniem on February 03, 2019, 13:30:29
@Bill from November Sound I use Logic. I use Reaper as well, but although Logic has a tendency to show 'system overload' sometimes, whereas Reaper never does that, I still use Logic most of the time. I don't know why, really.  @budhabuilding I don't see your thoughts on Logic?

I use Superior Drummer, and a KAT KT3 e-drumkit to play the patterns on. SD allows you to drag midi-patterns to your edit, but I like to play the patterns myself, because I like to play the drums. I think SD is a magnificent piece of software, as is BFD-drums, which I also use. Both have a tremendous set of extensions which are all more than worthwhile.

I DO buy things. It's because I like them and I find them useful. Any advice not to buy anything goes one ear in, the other one out. It would be message to deaf ears. I only go for things that I think will be useful though, I don't just buy to buy, because I like it. I must admit there is a vague bordeline between the two, because I can usually convince myself that I need a piece of software, in all dishonesty..  ::e-guitar3::
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Bill from November Sound on February 03, 2019, 13:45:45
 
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I DO buy things. It's because I like them and I find them useful. Any advice not to buy anything goes one ear in, the other one out. It would be message to deaf ears. I only go for things that I think will be useful though, I don't just buy to buy, because I like it. I must admit there is a vague bordeline between the two, because I can usually convince myself that I need a piece of software, in all dishonesty..  ::e-guitar3::


You see that's what is so funny about this old thread called "recording revolution" making it's return! TRR says don't buy stuff - but I like to buy stuff ....ha,ha, ha!! :lol: :D I'm with you @Pleudoniem !!!!  :)
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: budhabuilding on February 03, 2019, 13:55:56
@Pleudoniem  i didn't gave my opinion about logic because i didn't use it that often. Only to convert into another DAW and for teaching others.
Logic is perfect for use with Audio Unit plugins.  Has great routing designer.

Some other DAW's that i did not mention are:
Studio one... best integration with melodyne ...
Bitwig ... new modular system looks great.. really good software developers
Pro-tools... was the world standard but loosing ground.. if you want to work in other pro studio's you need it
Tracktion .. it's free to start if that's not a bargain
Renoise.. trackerstyle
Digital performer .. never worked with it but i like MOTU
Cakewalk.. great and free .. it has really good graphic design but it also makes it a little CPU heavy with these graphics.
Mixcraft... it's the stable version of acid.... It was on of the orginal programmers of ACID
Ardour... almost free ... great alternative to protools..

and there are more ;-)

 
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Bill from November Sound on February 03, 2019, 15:14:26
Hey there @Pleudoniem and @budhabuilding  and @Ym   

So Acid is now a Magix product instead of Sony and they also have Music Maker, right? Cakewalk and Sonar are now gone ?..... out of business ... run by Gibson who canned them to focus on guitars (and supposedly consumer electronics) I guess.

You should demo a few @Ym before you decide I think.

I tried Pro Tools Daw in college and before that I used Digital Performer there ... very early version as a no frills MIDI sequencer. 
Pro Tools at that time required purchase of their hardware, and their control of your computer settings and I didn't like them telling me what to do. That's the only reason I don't use Pro Tools today - i just didn't buy their program and all their stuff.

I tried Sonar when it was around and Studio One ... but I couldn't easily get them to do what I wanted. ( multiple channels of MIDI and Native instruments running at once in the style of a MIDI sequencer. ... again probably just user error.... but workflow is important) Studio One sounded strange ... kind of artificially bright? .... to me at that time. This was one of their early versions of the program so I'm sure they've gotten a lot better. I messed around with Ableton but couldn't get into it and Reason has always looked super cool to me.

So.... I'm still using Cubase because I know how to use it for what I do.
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: budhabuilding on February 03, 2019, 17:10:33
@Bill from November Sound and @Ym  little extra info  ;)

cakewalk sonar is bought by bandlab and it's free now
https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk

Pro-tools has a version without protools hardware
https://www.avid.com/pro-tools/comparison
check compatible hardware ;-)
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Pleudoniem on February 03, 2019, 18:26:39
I used to work a lot with Tracktion. It was off the market for some time, as Mackie did not want to support it anymore, but now it's re-invented itself under its own name. They say it returned by popular request. I'm not sure what such a claim is really worth, but when I used it, I quite liked it.
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Ym on February 03, 2019, 23:35:35
You all have given me a great deal to consider!  In just need to pick one and get started.

I don't know how familiar you are with Mimic Pro, but I can record stereo directly in the module synced to a click.  But for more refined recording,  I use a db25 from the module to the Touchmix.  So everything is separated like a real kit. Then I have 8 more regular channels and 4 stereo inputs for the other instruments.  I take those files and run the Touchmix convert software.  At this point it's time for a DAW.

One thing that is confusing.  I have a lot of EQ, FX, and processing on the Touchmix.  Should I be using this during the initial recording phase, does it greatly affect what I can or should be doing in the DAW?

MimicPro is a module, similar to a roland TD50, but a VST by design. Removing the need for an interface
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Mar T. on February 03, 2019, 23:43:03
Good to hear we are being of help here @Ym !

As I was talking about Reaper I realised that I lost track of Reason a long time ago. I see they're at version 10.2 now, and although I prefer to create rock, I'm in for some EDM fusion. Reason 10.2 looks perfect (esp the new 'Europe' synth). Going to do a try-and if like-buy this month, and might use it to create my 'write a song using software-generated lyrics' entry for the currently running songwriting challenge.

That was a bit off-topic.. Never heard of Mimic pro haha.. Keep us posted about your progress @Ym !!
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: MrBouzouki on February 03, 2019, 23:54:30
Hi @Ym , I know nothing about your system, others can advise, but I do think you should try for minimal processing needed to get a decent recording of any actual audio part.  If it's a MIDI part with a VST  type instrument this is less of a problem.

I guess i'm taking about not making mixing / tweaking decisions too early so even for a MIDI I try to separate  'Recording' from 'Mixing'. This way you capture your pure idea and can refine it during the 'Mixing' process but it's difficult to do that if you've already locked a track using processing that modify's the original waveform if it's audio. 

To me recording is the performance and mixing is the balancing and tweaking of those performances to make them all work together.  Mastering is the final 'fine' adjustments needed to make the track ready to be released to an audience.

I do always save regularly during mixing and label the saves so I can easily revert to a previous 'lock' of a song if required.

This all assumes you have a computer-based DAW  to record into of course
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: LePlongeur on February 04, 2019, 03:37:18
Hi @MrBouzouki
Thank you so much for your efforts and research to better the sound of my recordings.

As a rule the suggestions are way beyond the possibilities of my museum worthy recorder, but I have the idea that this is more of a general (not specific computer) nature.

As I have some extra time to read etc, I hope that I can learn something from this guy.

Thank you for your good care of us.
Kind regards, Gus
Title: Re: Recording Revolution - (6steps) radio ready guide (PDF)
Post by: Pleudoniem on February 10, 2019, 13:25:04
I am returning to Reaper. Logic has this annoying tendency of showing System Overloads. Logic is a great program if it won't do that a bit too often, but now I've had enough of it. Possibly, when I buy a more powerful computer in a couple of years, I will start using it again. Odds are just that Logic may have increased its weight as well, but we'll see if that is the case.