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Title: Ego vs Reality
Post by: mazzmarriott on September 05, 2019, 21:33:21
As a songwriter Im constantly doubting my ability  to create songs. One day Im like You know what Im a really good songwriter and I know my songs are good enough to be in the charts and I should be rich and revered.
Then other days Im like Mate, dont give up the day job.

I hope Im not alone in thinking this.
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Leonard Scaper on September 05, 2019, 23:07:07
I have to admit that I have always been pretty clear as to where I stand in the song writing, performing and recording world. I never was one to look to the stars (or the charts) with all this. I have always been pretty good at keeping my expectations in check, even as I have foisted my recorded songs on the people in my life shamelessly for the past 30.

I have always felt as if I had something to say musically but, more importantly, that I absolutely HAD to say it.....no matter how it was received.
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Bill from November Sound on September 06, 2019, 05:37:42
Hi @mazzmarriott . yes, and yes.
I think about this all the time but always tend toward the negative.
I'm always worried about what people think about my songs to the point that I won't put things up for review or ask for feedback. But, for some reason, I can't seem to stop writing them.
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: MrBouzouki on September 07, 2019, 01:29:43
My tag-line on this forum sums it up for me really.

Underneath my Avatar.

"Let the creators... create"

It ebbs and flows but if the desire is with you,  create it,  be it lyrics, a demo or finished song. Then what you do with it depends upon experience, life goals, ability (to a point), chance. drive, bravado etc. etc.

The ego is a fragile soul for many that ebbs and flows too so sometimes 'it's just no happening' 'I'm rubbish at everything' is the order of the day.

But do you know what, music appreciation is a subjective experience for every person on the planet. I knew identical twins as a younger and they liked rock music like me, but they still had slightly different tastes in music, despite being so alike in most other things. Subtly different filters must have existed for music appreciation.

So I reckon never stress on the process, keep you antennae up, write and record what you want, when you want and do with it what you want.
If you don't like it today, you might do tomorrow. If you still don't like it, well somebody else just might ;-)

Just create :-)



 

Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Bill from November Sound on September 08, 2019, 23:55:50
You know ... it also kind of depends on your audience ... or if you even have an audience. There's something to be said for just creating whatever the heck you want, really.

Sometimes I'll write a "silly" to me song and it'll somehow catch on at live gigs.

Other times I see songwriters ... and I may be guilty of this to  .... except I don't actually sing ... really explaining their songs to people. The songs often don't even sound all that good to me but the performer gets by on his personality and his captive audience. I don't know if this makes sense  :-\ 
Just imagine someone who worked really hard to write this one song this year. At the gig he announces "This is my original song. It has so much meaning to me.... here's the story about it. etc." It's not really the song that is good but rather the story, the process, the connection with the audience. If this person has a big enough ego then they won't know the difference, right?

NS on our SoundCloud has some weird songs that we don't do live. Usually they are labeled as entry for songwriters in the kitchen challenge ..  ;)
I don't think people like them as actual songs but rather they like us and appreciate us trying to create something for the challenge. So I guess we're guilty as well.  :-\

I never feel very confident about any song I write.  :-[

Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Leonard Scaper on September 09, 2019, 14:49:52
Other times I see songwriters ... and I may be guilty of this to  .... except I don't actually sing ... really explaining their songs to people.

I am remembering back to when I actually performed my originals at gigs. Often times it was between sets with the band. That was for a few years back in the 70's. I had a few regular gigs as a solo artist as well where I mixed my stuff in with covers. I never announced my songs as originals....I always just played them.

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I never feel very confident about any song I write.  :-[

Pondering that as well. I think that even that long ago I took the confidence factor out of my songwriting. Knowing that I needed to do it....and that a song doesn't really exist until it is heard (debatable?)......I just went for it no matter what.  :)
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Dutchbeat on September 09, 2019, 19:13:29
 ;D ;D ;D i am late to this thread, but my advise to songwriters would be: only  make music because you like doing it very much  :ok: :yes: :yes: :yes: :dance: :dance: :dance:

if you don't like making music, you can always quit doing that, at any time
but don't quit your day job

this also has to do with my age  ;D ;D ;D :blackgrin:, and the fact  :P that i am not very talented as a songwriter  :yes: :yes:

but in fact, i would say keep both, the job and making music  ::thumb::



Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: oorlab on September 09, 2019, 21:43:32
@mazzmarriott  - interesting thread. My point of view is that somehow music (making, listening, enjoying) is very much linked to language & communicating so it is a very human and almost inevitable thing to do. To make music for a living though,  without stepping into the fame trap (I am thinking here of the killing of Lennon and Prince writing Slave on his cheeck) is an art in itself.

For the amateurs such as myself and those with whom I make music, the interest that keeps me/us going is the discovery of something musical that has not been done yet... so stay curious.
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: LePlongeur on September 11, 2019, 13:50:23
I think there are many sensible comments here already, but for me -yes, its just an opinion - the one sticking out is @MrBouzouki s.
Create a lot. And embrace your crap songs. And concentrate on your good ones.
Because out of the 10 songs youll (and ill) make 2 or 3 are good.
If you know you are going to make another one tomorrow and onother one the day after, youll lose your fear for crap songs.
This is a lovely place to be, creatively speaking.
We let ourselves be intimidated. Charles Aznavour wrote some 1800 songs. Do you really believe he would share his crap with the world?

So, in short, my reaction would be:
Be fearless of your crap songs
Be proud of your good songs
You cannot ever write one, without the other. Forget your doubts.
Kind regards, Gus
Title: Re: Ego vs Reality
Post by: Leonard Scaper on September 11, 2019, 22:42:40
You cannot ever write one, without the other. Forget your doubts.

Well said, Gus.

 ::thumb::