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Title: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 05, 2020, 07:20:47
So I started a thing on Steemit last year called 'Virtual Busking'!

Now that I'm back in Australia and getting my studio up and running, I'm back into it again. It's an alternative to playing on the street and you earn crypto!

Excuse my absence from the forum, I've been busy finding a house, getting a job and aligning my mind with my new reality.

So here is my next performance for this!

It's an improv in 6/8 in G Dorian.

Enjoy! By the way, I like real critical feedback, I'm still getting better and better and it's great when people tell it how it is!

So outside of you maybe needing someone to vent your anger onto ( :lol: ), critical feedback is welcome! Thank you so much in advance!

https://youtu.be/HsyB-abtpXs
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Michael on March 05, 2020, 09:08:43
I have nothing but admiration for live performances, and improvs in particular. So cool what you can come up with spontaneously!

Went into this without knowing what to expect. (Although I did have to google 'Dorian scales' first - had never heard of them before!) At first I thought that you were doing some warm-up playing on the violin, it took me a moment to realize that there is a loop-pedal involved! Never seen anyone use a pedal in this way with multiple instruments, but the result is very, very cool.

When the vocals came in, I thought at first that this part doesn't really work for me. Only to completely change my mind when you sang harmonies to your own vocals, which sounded brilliant!  :)

The guitar licks sound great, I noticed that you managed to make even a familiar instrument like a guitar sound much more exotic through some clever slides and playing technique (3:50-4:05).
My favourite bit of the whole session is probably towards the end starting around 9:45, with several violin voiced creating a very cool soundscape. Generally I love those violin bits when you slide from one note to another, I am sure there is a much more accurate musical term for that though  :D
Always wanted to learn violin or cello, but I fear that those are the kind of instruments that are very hard to learn without proper lessons and a lot of dedication...

All in all I really dig the (to my ears) foreign and exotic sound of the whole piece, and I suspect that effect stems from this Dorian scale. This style of music would probably go very well with some movies scores!
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 05, 2020, 10:48:52
I have nothing but admiration for live performances, and improvs in particular. So cool what you can come up with spontaneously!

Went into this without knowing what to expect. (Although I did have to google 'Dorian scales' first - had never heard of them before!) At first I thought that you were doing some warm-up playing on the violin, it took me a moment to realize that there is a loop-pedal involved! Never seen anyone use a pedal in this way with multiple instruments, but the result is very, very cool.

When the vocals came in, I thought at first that this part doesn't really work for me. Only to completely change my mind when you sang harmonies to your own vocals, which sounded brilliant!  :)

The guitar licks sound great, I noticed that you managed to make even a familiar instrument like a guitar sound much more exotic through some clever slides and playing technique (3:50-4:05).
My favourite bit of the whole session is probably towards the end starting around 9:45, with several violin voiced creating a very cool soundscape. Generally I love those violin bits when you slide from one note to another, I am sure there is a much more accurate musical term for that though  :D
Always wanted to learn violin or cello, but I fear that those are the kind of instruments that are very hard to learn without proper lessons and a lot of dedication...

All in all I really dig the (to my ears) foreign and exotic sound of the whole piece, and I suspect that effect stems from this Dorian scale. This style of music would probably go very well with some movies scores!

Thanks so much @Michael for taking the time to listen to the whole thing. It's really nice that you did.

I love the Dorian scale it's a great transition from the Minor blues scale as well. The two fit together very well.

This timing signature with the accent on the 1 and the 3 is inspired from Greek traditional music.

Some famous musician once said that each mode is like a different universe and must be practiced with individually to really explore their potential. I find that experimenting with different timing signatures also changes the way I use a scale and gives a new dimension to their feel in improv.

I've been playing this franken violin for about a year. I reckon if you've got a good ear for sound you should find an instrument you enjoy the tone of and go for it. It's inspired by traditional instruments I found on my travels through Greece, Eastern Europe and Turkey. Including the Cretan Lyra, the Macedonian kemane, the Bulgarian gadulka and the kemanche of various countries including Turkey. These are all bowed instruments played on the knee, normally with three playing strings. Normally tuned to GDA.

Sadly I didn't bring one back with me. But I did spy a forty dollars three quarter on the wall at my work, with a little experimenting I created this baby, which once a lapel mic is added and some buttery reverb lashed on, sounds just like a gadulka or similar with sympathetic strings.

I had a sound in mind that I wanted to create and just went for that. It took me a while to develop technique and to get comfortable with the higher notes (still a work in progress) but I'm super happy with the result.

I also love the idea of using anything to make sound for the loop. Like whistling or knocking on the wood or slapping. It's an art to make a loop that is not exhausting to listen to over a long period of time. Adding elements that change too much makes the ear tired too quickly.

Tonal music has a single droning note which runs throughout the song, using this as the basis for the loop and irregular timing signatures, a lot of new music can be made from traditional sounding elements.

Improvisation with Eastern timing signatures is not very well explored in general. I found a playground all to myself!

I will work more on trying different techniques and sounds to expand this loop method. It's a lot of fun.

I would also like to make a Kaval out of a piece of PVC pipe. I love making the guitar sound like an Oud by hitting those strings hard.

Anyways, there's an essay for you. I've built up the courage to perform this act as improv on the streets of Fremantle and it was a lot of fun.

Classic rock covers from the Woodstock period still make a lot more money! Haha, but that's what you get for playing in a town where Bon Scott was buried.

With more practice, I'll get more acquainted with the scales in the high end, and make it tighter and easier to listen to over a long period of time.
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Leonard Scaper on March 05, 2020, 17:09:58
Pretty cool @Monty Cash Music .

I noticed a slight loss of tone when you first went to the looper on the violin.....lost some high freq's. No big deal, but noticeable at the transition.
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Dutchbeat on March 05, 2020, 23:08:29
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:yes: :yes: :pompom: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise:

@Monty Cash Music

i wonder ....what @budhabuilding thinks of this...

Nice Looping  :o :o Monty  :thumbsup: thanks for sharing
 ::headphone::
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 06, 2020, 04:47:12
Pretty cool @Monty Cash Music .

I noticed a slight loss of tone when you first went to the looper on the violin.....lost some high freq's. No big deal, but noticeable at the transition.

Thanks, you are right this needs tweaking. I have it going through a mixer so easy fix.

I'm developing a four channel system, with two loop pedals so I can keep the drum and vocals separate from the violin. At the moment just using one channel for all of that. At least the drum should be kept separate.

On the street will always be a bit rough, soon when money flows again I'll buy the biggest street amp I can and possibly use separate EQ pedals for separate channels. I also have to be mindful about being relatively compact.

Depending on what mood the bus driver is in that day decides whether one can enter the bus with a trolley load of sound equipment!

Haha, with a four channel system I can make a great sounding mix up live recording because I can do four mono channels recording simultaneously on my H4n (with the help of a good set of cables).

@Dutchbeat thanks man, I'll keep posting my future virtual busking posts in this thread.

Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Leonard Scaper on March 06, 2020, 15:15:31
On the street I'm betting that such a minor EQ tweak may not even be noticed @Monty Cash Music .

Love the image of you getting on a bus with all that gear.  :)
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: MrBouzouki on March 06, 2020, 16:40:58
I like it how 'soundscapes' are built up with a looper like this.

It keeps making me think I need to invest in one as a new possibility, a tool that has emerged for the younger generation but us oldies can get involved too.

It sound quite Gypsy-tinged, I could imagine people doing a slow dance around a campfire to this.

Dorian is easy to get your head around @Michael as you can think of just playing from the second note of a major scale to the second note an octave higher.

So in C Major for example,    D Dorian is   D E F G A B C D
                               In G Major, A Dorian is  A B C D E F# G A

Check out this page on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(music)





Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Michael on March 06, 2020, 17:19:33
Dorian is easy to get your head around @Michael as you can think of just playing from the second note of a major scale to the second note an octave higher.

So in C Major for example,    D Dorian is   D E F G A B C D
                               In G Major, A Dorian is  A B C D E F# G A

Check out this page on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(music)
@MrBouzouki that's a great explanation, thanks! :) Playing along on the piano also helped wrap my mind around it!
I really like the way this sounds, and Monty is using it very well!
Title: Re: Virtual Busking
Post by: Bill from November Sound on March 08, 2020, 13:42:50
Hey @Monty Cash Music  .... this was really cool.
Beyond that I really enjoyed the meditative qualities of this music. You just kind of let it play ( listener .... not performer ... ha,ha...) and it's chill - it kind of brings you somewhere. Nice.
Having studied and performed American Jazz most of my life, I never really thought of the dorian scale as being exotic. Of course in jazz the dorian scale has a much different function than it does here ... even pieces that are considered modal will still not sound like this. With your instrumentation and melodic choices you give it that world music sound.
It sounds like you've been very busy in real life so thanks for posting this and staying involved! Best of luck with your move, your job, your new life down there.
Good show.
-11 ::Note::
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 23, 2020, 16:09:42
https://youtu.be/aSzx7crmav0

Here's a Covid special. Hope everyone is keeping their head up through all of this.
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 23, 2020, 16:16:58
@Bill from November Sound

Regarding your previous comment. It's great to get used to using these scales with different instruments as that heavily influences how I play the scale, and also to use odd rhythms like 7/8 and 9/8 and often have a drone note in the back there. I also love that the minor pentatonic is used in Tatar music and some chinese folk music and yet it sounds nothing like blues.

Here's a random jam I had with a guy who demanded I stay at his house in Izmir so we could play music. Anyways, he introduced me to Tatar music. Tatarstan is a region in the north of Turkey and the south of Russia, now occupied by Russia, previously occupied by Turkey, but the Tatar folk music lives on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy9fIWnI52c

This guy was a real character! Such a happy loving soul!  This song is in minor pentatonic. Also I've heard some greek trad music using dorian.
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 24, 2020, 10:14:31
Here's an improv in La Pentatonic Minor

https://youtu.be/LmLeZ5prWaY
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 25, 2020, 04:08:13
So I'm doing daily posts on Hive (the new crypto based blog platform that is run by the old Steemit community, because some investor took it over this month and tried to put his big dick in everyone's hole so we all just said fuck off and took ourselves to a new place which was started by the community for the purpose of true decentralisation. I've even invested real money to buy Hive crypto because well, the Australian dollar will be going down down down soon).

Mind the french, I'm quite fluent.

https://youtu.be/1yM60qYtX-8

Find the Hive post here: https://peakd.com/virtualbusking/@montycashmusic/virtual-busking-cover-horse-with-no-name-by-america

So this whole #virtualbusking is something that I've coined and I'm doing it through a community page on peakd.com/@hive-174034 called HiveStreet.

So join up on Hive and have a chance to earn some crypto supported by a solid community. This crypto is going to be worth more than actual fiat currency soon, at least we speculate (at least more stable (which is scary)), due to all this bullshit. So why not jump on board and post your performances and songs and get active! What have you got to lose? And you've also got a pooload of time... isolation!

Doom and gloom and panic rhetoric out the way. Listen to my angry version of Horse with no name by America! Enjoy!  ;)
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 26, 2020, 08:11:11
Today I play the piano:

https://peakd.com/virtualbusking/@montycashmusic/virtual-busking-fear-of-change

https://youtu.be/CXNLuVFav3c
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Bill from November Sound on March 27, 2020, 01:32:17
The "Horse With No Name" arrangement is crazy cool @Monty Cash Music .  :ok:
So these are on YouTube but you post them to a super secret bitcoin site called hivestreet first? or simultaneously?  ;) 
Sorry if I sound ignorant. I don't know all this counterculture stuff in my world.  ::)
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 27, 2020, 06:52:17
The "Horse With No Name" arrangement is crazy cool @Monty Cash Music .  :ok:
So these are on YouTube but you post them to a super secret bitcoin site called hivestreet first? or simultaneously?  ;) 
Sorry if I sound ignorant. I don't know all this counterculture stuff in my world.  ::)

Thank you man! Thanks for coming and having a listen!

Well, it's a little complicated I suppose but by posting it on a blog platform called peakD.com which runs on Cryptocurrency Hive - I have the opportunity to earn for my posts as people upvote them. There's also a great community of artists, musicians, writers, activists, photographers and entrepreneurs on there.
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on March 28, 2020, 08:35:53
Excuse the double post, this is the live video to the song I put in review. So I put it there because it is an original song that's been in my repertoire for a while and I wanted to get some feedback for a future version.

https://youtu.be/oaDlE0bwIA0

That, and I like the process of cataloguing things, it gives me joy. An incomplete catalogue is a travesty.

**Edit: and having said this, I will no longer post on these threads because I'm flooding the forum. So please join my journey @ http://peakd.com/@montycashmusic for further updates!  :pompom:
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: robertkc on April 12, 2020, 19:02:35
No apologies necessary for your multiple posts @Monty Cash Music ; I really enjoy the loose  and very present feel of your improvisation in the first drone-based instrumental ( only one nit: I wanted to see how that loop thingy was worked... by your foot?), and your bluesy vocal in the latest.It would be nice to see the lyrics for the latter as I found them hard to make out and the song title suggests something cool.
To sum up; I heard music with space  tethered to very consistent rhythm :pompom: :pompom:

Robert
Title: Re: Virtual Busking by Monty
Post by: Monty Cash Music on April 13, 2020, 06:23:04
Thanks @robertkc for your compliments and the vote of confidence! These posts continue just on my blog here http://peakd.com/@montycashmusic

I just use a Boss RC-1 pedal, which is the simplest boss loop pedal with two inputs. Once the initial loop is laid, the rest is like painting a picture that you can add to stroke by stroke.

The lyrics to the last song are actually posted here - https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/songs-for-review/2/drug-of-ages/6093/

Thanks again for checking out my material and keep strong in these interesting times!

Monty