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Title: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Bill from November Sound on April 05, 2020, 22:26:05
Hey Everyone,

So I've been working a bit mixing some vocals. Well I do that all the time really. @Mylene mentioned how she has been working at mixing a lot recently during the kitchen zoom meeting and I got to thinking ÖÖ 

I notice that the "warmth" of female vocals is in that 300hz area (+or-) but if you boost it, it makes serious mud in the mix. If you cut it, it makes nice clarity but you lose some of the beauty. (Ö I think)

What gives? Is there another frequency that might work to boost but not make the mix muddy?

After a while I have trouble hearing it. Any advice someone can share with kitcheners here?
 
@Mylene @Zedd @Jambrains @harriettornqvist  @Chris Spruit  @Leonard Scaper @DanJames   ... sorry if I missed anyone  ::)  I'm trying to tag people who mix the female vocalists.  :)  Anyone else feel free to join in if you have experience with producing female vocals.

Bill
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: DanJames on April 05, 2020, 22:34:18
Sorry @Bill from November Sound, canít help Iím afraid, you lost me at 300hz! I just move the EQ sliders around till it sounds ok . Iím sure the others will have something more useful to share .
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Jambrains on April 05, 2020, 23:12:00
If plain vanilla eq does not work I'd try a dynamic  eq  or multiband compressor, that way you can boost/cut only when needed and not all the time as with a traditional eq.  One way to do it would be to put an eq first and set it so that the vox sound good most of the time and then put the dynamic eq/multi band compressor after to cut and/or boost when then the eq before is not enough. Another way would be to automate the traditional eq to work more or less at different parts of the song just as you would automate volume.
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Dakoda on April 05, 2020, 23:27:24
Hey Bill,
Maybe try a really  narrow curve (notch)  , bump up the Q
just take a very narrow bite up or down,
you can add a little subtle energy in that range (or take away)
without it sounding like you were camped out at 300hz
Dakoda  :D
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Soultanz on April 06, 2020, 09:50:09
as Dave does all the mixing I do have little knowledge.
What I know is:
Female voice frequency range covers  350 Hz to 17KHz.
Its fundamental frequency is 350Hz
What helps me is (ATTATCHED)
Don't know if it helps you too
because you sure know much more than I do....
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Leonard Scaper on April 06, 2020, 14:34:52
Its fundamental frequency is 350Hz

This is important. The male fundamental is a bit lower. But think about the harmonic frequencies as well as sometimes a gently boost at just the right spot can also be magic. If I cut at 250 Hz I might be looking at 500 Hz or even 1KHz for a careful boost.

I always cut that mud....along with  High Pass Filter....before the compressor and then find that boost frequency after the comp.

That 200 Hz to 400 Hz range in a vocal is definitely where the magic happens in mixing. But where it really begins is with microphone placement relative to the voice of your room. If you choose the right mic for your voice and then take your time and really listen to your room you can get things sounding pretty good just on the way in.

Quote from: DanJames link=topic=6137.msg65548#msg65548 date=1586118858 I just move the EQ sliders around till it sounds ok . [/quote

Best advice yet, actually.   8)
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Soultanz on April 06, 2020, 14:49:08
@Leonard Scaper yes right about
That
Harmonics is 3KHz to 17KHz in female average vocal range.
Title: Re: That low mid range in vocal mixing
Post by: Mylene on April 07, 2020, 18:12:55
Thank you @Bill from November Sound for mentioning me but I'm still learning  :D
Maybe I will be able to help you in the future!
Thank you everyone for helping