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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 17:57:03
hi @MRose  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: welcome to the kitchen, thanks for joining!
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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #16 on: January 16, 2020, 23:08:36
@LePlongeur   :lol:

@MRose Thanks for joining in at my invitation, now that you're here you'll have to go through the correct government channels in order to achieve ultimate catharsis via the 'Kitchener's music method'.  Only then will love drug be administered.  :praise: :lol: (ps forum admins, I love the old-school selection of emoticons here, they make me happy)

I enjoy writing Morning Pages, using a method similar to the one described in Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way; longhand, often nonsensical steam-of-consciousness writing. The goal is to clear your mind out and to set the writing aside for a few weeks before revisiting it. Some people I know burn all of the pages without ever reading them! Some of it might be great, most of it will be crap, but it's the process that's important.

I just looked her up. She is an inspiration to many. I feel that with free-writing or other forms of creative open ended non-self-judged non-expectational expression, if done regularly over a period of time, can overcome any creative blockage. (phew! what a sentence!) And also @LePlongeur 's mention of the 'well drying up', is an important part of long-term creativity, to recognize this and not to judge the self for it. 

3. When do you normally do it?
In the morning, still half-awake.

This mind when it is half awake, is such a lucid place. I feel even the action of getting a coffee first disturbs this at times. The warm cup in my hand is a trigger for my mind. Your method seems like a great way to avoid needing to find a way back to the lucid place. I so look forward to my cup of coffee though. I'll continue to write my half page of slag to get myself back there!   :D

4. Where do you normally do it?
Usually at home, sometimes out and about at work / at cafes in the city.

Nice, love to hear that you do it outside of the home in open social settings.

Also love your mention later of the word 'Proustian'. I'm now enlightened.  :) Do you also write your dreams or include your dreams in your free-writing? Or maybe this is a separate thing for you? (possible new thread discussion topic, 'Dream Diaries and Dreams'). Jesus, I'll just start my own cult or something and be done with it! haha
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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #17 on: January 16, 2020, 23:23:22
@Leonard Scaper @Dutchbeat Thank you! & I'll be sure to write an introduction soon.

@Monty Cash Music Yes, I often end up writing my dreams down, since they're only really fresh / memorable in the morning. Otherwise, I end up writing or recreating conversations, thoughts, abstract ideas. On a good day, even short stories! It's a lot of fun.

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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 00:11:09
1. What is it to you?
 - free writing for me is out of the box, unfocused - catching coincidental impressions
2. What is your method?
 - keeping pen & paper and a recorder at hand
3. When do you normally do it?
 - when- and wherever, lately while riding my bike. I then stop to jot down what popped up
4. Where do you normally do it?
 - the place seems to choose itself, now I think about it, it happens while I am on the move.
5. Have you found the writings useful for songwriting/poetry or any other creative media creation?
 - off course, but not all of the time. An idea presents itself in the half conscious (pythia) state, but then I take the basic idea and start building it in a more goal oriented way.
6. How do you get over 'writer's block' with automatic writing?""
 - by reading other people's poetry, or listening to domo's from well-known songwriters - the versions before they were turned into full productions. I love how John Lennon is fiddling around with the basic chords and opening lines of Strawberry Fields here :

Interesting topic @Monty Cash Music . Reminded me of a book I browsed through this week
Thinking fast and slow by Daniel Kahneman
In it there is a description of 2 systems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow#Two_systems
2 ways the brain forms thoughts
1 : System 1: Fast, automatic, frequent, emotional, stereotypic, unconscious
2 : System 2: Slow, effortful, infrequent, logical, calculating, conscious.

I guess I alternate between 1 and 2 when making music.
recommending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Music_Works "How music works", book by David Byrne.


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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 01:30:59
@Monty Cash Music Yes, I often end up writing my dreams down, since they're only really fresh / memorable in the morning.

I get up during the night to capture the essence of my dreams at the end of sleep cycles. But then I am engaging in some other interesting nocturnal.......meditations.....that are benefited by that practice.

My best lyrics are often there for me early in the morning as I start my day.
"The main thing is to have a gutsy approach....but use your head." Julia Child

 "In a world of robotic conformity, the only originality left in music is the imperfections" Eric Craptone

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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 04:22:18
This is fascinating that you all are calling this free and automatic  .... but you have sort of have scheduled times when you do it.  :)
That's really cool.
I kind of wish I could do that.
I did a writing workshop once where they showed us how to do this at a specific time each day and so on. I probably could I just can't get into the flow.  :)
My songs come to me at very random times .... and it can really interfere with important parts of life such as sleeping.  :sleepy:
 
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November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.


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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 09:13:05
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 18:02:19 by LePlongeur »
I would like to explain what I meant with ‘when the well dries up’.
What I meant is: look at all the people who write music. As an average they more or less stop writing when they are 50ish. They don’t flinch when interviewed, they put on a stage smile and have great plans for future recordings blah blah blah. But in fact when you listen closely, the feeling that they’ve said it all is the overriding sentiment.

So if it happened to many people, i must take into account that it would be better to write as much as I can until I am 50.

And when that time comes, I have all the time I need to leafe through my work. And polish up the good ones.
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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 17:16:58
look at all the people who write music. As an average they more or less stop writing when they are 50ish. They don’t flinch when interviewed, they put on a stage smile and have great plans for future recordings blah blah blah.

Interesting observation there, Gus. Most of my Soundclick catalog was written after I turned 50.....that's somewhere around 300 tunes.

And I have great plans for future recordings (said with  my best stage smile).  ;D


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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 17:21:46

Interesting observation there, Gus. Most of my Soundclick catalog was written after I turned 50.....that's somewhere around 300 tunes.

And I have great plans for future recordings (said with  my best stage smile).  ;D
ahahahaa thats good point @Leonard Scaper

I would need hurry hurry hurry  hurry hurry hurry if i should ride the 'well' untill  I'm  fifty.  :blackgrin:
Good to know there are exceptions also ::Bones::


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Re: Discussion - Automatic Writing (Free writing)
Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 18:16:05
look at all the people who write music. As an average they more or less stop writing when they are 50ish. They don’t flinch when interviewed, they put on a stage smile and have great plans for future recordings blah blah blah.

Interesting observation there, Gus. Most of my Soundclick catalog was written after I turned 50.....that's somewhere around 300 tunes.

And I have great plans for future recordings (said with  my best stage smile).  ;D

Your best stage smile is good enough for me, @Leonard Scaper . I am totally convinced.
But just for the f*, what I meant of course is for the fun of it, make a list of your 10 big heroes.
Mine includes, Carole King, John Fogerty, Johnny Cash, Leonard Bernstein (to name a few) and check what they did after 50. It’s not for nothing that you are a giant amidst heroes..Very relevant music too. Not just loudspeaker pollution.....

This doesn’t count for the lady who wrote Jolene, because she cheats. About her age I mean.
Really, I wish I could tell another theory.
Kind regards, Gus



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