• How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #75 on: November 27, 2017, 04:01:58
I just hope if I review a song in a positive way the writer/performer won't quite their day job - hire a band - buy a van - and try to make a living at this. I would hope they would at least get a second opinion.

I would hate  to feel responsible

V.  ::phone::


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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #76 on: November 27, 2017, 13:15:00
I just hope if I review a song in a positive way the writer/performer won't quite their day job - hire a band - buy a van - and try to make a living at this. I would hope they would at least get a second opinion.

I would hate  to feel responsible

V.  ::phone::

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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #77 on: November 28, 2017, 01:58:30
I just hope if I review a song in a positive way the writer/performer won't quite their day job - hire a band - buy a van - and try to make a living at this. I would hope they would at least get a second opinion.

I would hate  to feel responsible

V.  ::phone::
+100 @Vince hahaha we encourage each other and provide pointers.. And the creator decides which pointers he/she uses to improve... Simple as that.. But I'm still laughing here behind ny desk!
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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #78 on: November 28, 2017, 12:06:33
In the end it's all subjective.
If you ask 5 different people to review your song, chances are you will get 5 different opinions, and 5 different criticisms! That's why you should always get as many opinions as possible.
This forum is good in my case as I've never met any of you and you don't feel obligated to say "um yeah, it was really good" haha


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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #79 on: November 28, 2017, 13:56:40
1 ) Listen
2 ) Reflect
3 ) Gauge response based on immediate 'gut feeling'
4 ) Replay track to get a more detailed listen
5 ) Gauge response based on own knowledge
6 ) Gauge response based on artists previous catalogue as reference
7 ) If new artist on forum try and listen to their off-site content
8 ) Allow for subjective genre distortion of your take on the track
9 ) Check grammar / spelling / UK-centric words for clarity
10 ) Type your response

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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #80 on: November 28, 2017, 14:44:56
1 ) Listen
2 ) Reflect
3 ) Gauge response based on immediate 'gut feeling'
4 ) Replay track to get a more detailed listen
5 ) Gauge response based on own knowledge
6 ) Gauge response based on artists previous catalogue as reference
7 ) If new artist on forum try and listen to their off-site content
8 ) Allow for subjective genre distortion of your take on the track
9 ) Check grammar / spelling / UK-centric words for clarity
10 ) Type your response

11) Print out the @MrBouzouki check list and tape it to the wall nearby.


Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #81 on: November 28, 2017, 14:57:38
Thanks for posting @MrBouzouki  I'll keep these in mind because I've been trying to review more songs to participate better in this forum,

When I listen to a song for one of the writing contests I put the performance last because it's suppose to be on the writing. I look at song structure, subject and if it hits me somewhere. If it's a well written song and doesn't necessarily strike something in me doesn't mean it's any less well written.

  People have different musical abilities - some can sing, play a lot of instruments well (David Gilmore in an interview said he plays a lot of instruments badly) - so unless they are making a song to sell, I have the performance towards the bottom.

Back at the turn of the century (hit the geezer alarm) I was feeling stuck so I took lessons - I wanted to Rock and learn two handed tapping and all that stuff. The teacher told me not to waste my $$ (I'm an old folkie) and we did some jazz and stuff instead.  The point is everyone wants to get better.

Vince


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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #82 on: July 03, 2018, 01:01:10
I’ve been doing some thinking... :)

My problem is, I do listen to virtually every song posted here, but too often I just don't know what I could say that is reasonable and helpful. English is not my first language, and way too often I would need so much time to formulate something sensible that I rather let it go. I don't really find that satisfactory. Does anybody else have that problem?

To be able to say something about more songs with reasonable effort, I now had the following idea:
I note at least one positive and one negative aspect to each song, only in keywords. A very simple critique could look like this:

+ beautiful chord progression
- poor sound quality

or:

+ good guitar playing
+ much feeling in the voice
- meaningless lyrics
- too cheesy

or:

+ funny and original
- would need a stronger hook.
- careless singing

I think it is essential that negative points are also mentioned. As long as we only praise each other, nobody gets anything out of it (except our egos).

This way I could comment on a lot more songs, but I'm afraid that many people don't want to read something like that. Or do they? Would I make myself the most hated member of this community?

What do you think?

Cheers,
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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #83 on: July 03, 2018, 01:37:10
@Mark Luto , I think everybody should provide feedback the way he/she feels most comfortable with. I love everybody's approach actually, in this thread.

To the way that specifically works for you I'd just copy this (edited version of your) explaination:

'My problem is, I do listen to virtually every song posted here, but too often I just don't know what I could say that is reasonable and helpful. English is not my first language, and way too often I would need so much time to formulate something sensible that I rather let it go. I don't really find that satisfactory.

To be able to say something about more songs with reasonable effort, I now had the following idea:
I note at least one positive and one negative aspect to each song, only in keywords.

I hope I do not offend anybody by structuring my reviews this way, all I want to do is encourage and provide (subjective) help, so please don't hate me for the format I use  ;) '

Or something like that.. And paste it below every feedback-post! I'm sure every poster will 'get' then that you're trying to encourage and help for good reasons.
Me as I dutchie, I know how hard that language barrier can be, so I completely understand your post, and I hope we can all be tolerant to each other and realize English is not everybody's native tongue.
Just try it and see if you feel better that way, and of course watch how it is perceived..  ;) ;)

BTW I demand an applause from all native english speakers for all non-native english speaker who try hard to be helpful!!  ;) ;) ;) :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Hope that helps a bit my friend..
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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #84 on: July 03, 2018, 02:03:03
Thank you @Mar T.
Yes, that would be a possibility. Of course I wouldn't want to discuss all songs in this way, sometimes even I have something more to say... :o
But I really don't know if I like the idea. As well-intentioned as it would be, it could come across as pretty cheap, lazy and arrogant... :-\

I demand an applause from all native english speakers for all non-native english speaker who try hard to be helpful!!  ;) ;) ;) :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #85 on: July 03, 2018, 04:02:57
No applause emoji?  ??? Oh well here goes,
Applause!

On behalf of the native English speakers! :)
Bill
Songwriter, Keyboards, Arranger, Producer & Engineer for November Sound

November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.


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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #86 on: July 03, 2018, 07:18:39
some applause from downunder as well.

I can certainly understand your dilema @Mark Luto - it's hard enough to sometimes think what to say for a native English speaker.

I often find myself listening to songs but not really having anything constructive to say. Sometimes I just say - "nice song" etc. if only to help keep the post near the top of the list just from having an update from me.

cheers


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Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #87 on: July 03, 2018, 10:36:17
I DEFINITELY applaud all of you non-English speaking folks for your valiant efforts. English is a tough language even for a life long English speaker like me.

As far as reviewing songs goes....I am getting better at just expressing my first reaction to the song be it positive or negative. I have a lyric pad right here all the time and I jot down notes when I am listening to a song. Those notes become the basis of my review whether they are praise or critique......usually a little of both.

Folks just like to know that their song got heard so sometimes a simple....."Great tune......enjoyed the listen" is good enough.


Re: How do we provide helpful feedback to each other?
Reply #88 on: July 13, 2019, 04:07:58
1 ) Listen
2 ) Reflect
3 ) Gauge response based on immediate 'gut feeling'
4 ) Replay track to get a more detailed listen
5 ) Gauge response based on own knowledge
6 ) Gauge response based on artists previous catalogue as reference
7 ) If new artist on forum try and listen to their off-site content
8 ) Allow for subjective genre distortion of your take on the track
9 ) Check grammar / spelling / UK-centric words for clarity
10 ) Type your response

I would add...
11) Go to another song
12) Rinse and Repeat 1 through 10 😎



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