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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020, 01:41:15
« Last Edit: May 20, 2020, 03:04:57 by Monty Cash Music »
@1roomstudio

Thanks for permission to use your music.

You believe them... I don’t.... so goes the world...

No, I do not believe these facts.

I have made a logical assessment from my own research and have decided a course of action which happens to be contrary to the mainstream narrative which according to many sources is full of holes. This course of action is not taken lightly, it also happens to be the most difficult.

I am not believing anything. I'm not asking you to believe these facts either. Nor should you believe any other facts by other sources.

What we decide to do according to the facts and our interpretation of them need not have anything to do with belief.

Science should not be a religion.

It is however obvious to see that the majority of the population treats science as such and despite claiming to have powers of deductive reasoning, they exhibit behaviour that betrays an inability to be impartial to the facts.

An understanding of the group mind and our place within it is integral to understand how information and perception of information are used to influence and control society. To act as separate from the the group mind often feels contrary to our own nature. So many have not experienced this ability to have cognitive independence. We live in a belief system of free-will, equality and indepence - not actual free-will, equality and independence.

It is not a time to 'save' anyone, I am not 'saving' you or anyone else. I feel humanity can go into this pit, if that's really what it wants.

If you need question motive... for spreading such disinformation, one needs look no further than the pharmaceutical industry - https://theintercept.com/2020/03/13/big-pharma-drug-pricing-coronavirus-profits/ - who stand to make more money the worse the 'epidemic' gets.

Just like major banking corporations funded weapons and ammunitions for both sides of many wars. War, is an industry. Disease is an industry. If you still have to question why such an epidemic would be made so 'severe'... there is so much more at play than just this 'epidemic'.

I've rattled on again, look at me, can't help myself. Back to selling coffee on the side of the road to construction workers.

When all the world is taken away on boats and I cover myself in mud and claim to be part of natural law, I'll start digging up the roads and let nature back in to the earth. What a mess we've made of the place. Has anyone else had enough?  :nopompom:
Find updates on my travels and music on http://peakd.com/@montycashmusic


Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #16 on: May 22, 2020, 23:51:49
@Monty Cash Music  your passion and your sincere concern for human suffering is both clear and admirable (I bet your coffee is damn good as well ☕️... thanks I’ll have a cup... black, no sugar)

Your statement
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Science should not be a religion.
is ... I believe (there is that word again!) a true one. So let’s step aside from the semantics and the philosophical debate about whether a fact requires belief in order for it to matter. I absolutely agree with the statement “a fact is a fact, whether you believe it or not.”

You and I are looking at the same data (facts!) and we are both witnessing many stories, images, experiences etc. of enormous human suffering... we both agree that the virus and the shut down are contributing to that suffering.

I’ll accept your premise that the action one should take (to mitigate the suffering) has nothing to do with belief. Ones actions should be based on the facts. We may also agree (not sure... but probably) that different individual circumstances may dictate different actions.

Back to Freedom of Choice.... it comes with Responsibility... choose thoughtfully.

Can you accept the fact that you and I could look at the same facts and come to a different conclusion about our personal responsibility to act?

That’s damn good coffee ☕️


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #17 on: May 25, 2020, 05:17:38
« Last Edit: May 25, 2020, 05:57:31 by Monty Cash Music »
@1roomstudio Thanks for keeping the conversation civil.

For sure, we can come to different conclusions.

What creates the conflict is when death is put in our faces and we are forced to have an emotional response to death,invalidating our ability to deduce things rationally. But death has been happening for... ever. There are so many things causing far greater casualty rates than covid that are accepted parts of modern society.

The statistics are extremely political. We're stuck inside a game here. It cannot really be known what is going on when such numbers are put up and down for various reasons and motivations.

What I'm failing to see is full hospitals and a deadly pandemic as promised.

What I am seeing is a collapsed economy in many countries and the rich getting richer off it.

It is not the first time in history fear mixed with 'facts' has created the illusion of security via an implicit need to comply collectively to laws created on a whim in order to protect us from an invisible boogeyman.

A situation like this forces us to comply. We have no choice.

If anything it exposes how unconscious the 'conscious human' actually is. Because a collective choice is not an individual choice (while we live in what is on face known as an individual-driven democracy). Information is used to create bias in one direction or the other within mainstream perception and everyone believes they are making their own individual decision.

Just like in the music industry and the perception of value in industry in general, it is based on collective representation in perception - facts and substantial information just play a part in this game. What is more important in persuasion is collective belief and swaying the collective information pool.

It does not matter how true something is, or how much fact it really holds. It matters how many people collectively agree with something because they've been coerced by first a small group of individuals which then progressed into a greater pool, and now has control of mainstream perception.

To watch trends and the way they seed and grow in consciousness is akin to the way 'facts' are pushed as well.

It should not have an effect in today's world of 'science'.

But consider the election of Donald Trump, an authoritarian figure, an anti-saviour a symbol in consciousness that has become prominent because of a certain level of fear injected into the mainstream perception. A backup program linked to survival. A male authoritarian chauvinist.

Notice how the world has resorted to old belief systems, returning to their roots, to religion - a search for the authentic self. Just as a program might have been activated on a computer when the battery is running low in order to prepare it for shutdown.

Regardless of whether you want to look at the stats on casualty and believe or deduce an opinion or standing, it cannot be denied there is a much larger game of control in progress and this thing called covid; is just a playing piece in a big political powerplay, one major power against another.

To get the average citizen to realise that their government is not working in their favour - Is a big leap. Most believe like naive children, or at least go along with the group mind perspective via tacit consent, that our governments want what is best for us.

Consider the values of industry versus the values and ethics of humanism.

There is a balance in every country and more often than not, this virus called government shows the ethical side of itself on its face and hides as much as possible of the the dirty contracts with industry under the table.

If you've had any involvement with activism to see how incongruent the government and human ethics are in most countries - you'd understand.

You have to hold the government accountable for it to make humanitarian decisions. This mean having conscious citizens.

We elect a face to represent us, but we often only look skin deep at that representative. The group mind makes the decision; the voters themselves are not actually capable of making a consciously humanitarian vote. This would require an educated mass that is aware of its place individually within nature and the world. No matter how individual and conscious one believes themselves to be, the majority go along with political trends and intelligent people amongst that majority later justify with their smarts why their unconscious group decision was an intelligent individual decision. Failing to see their own mistake due to their idealistic narcissism.

If you want a good comparison for statistics, look at Sweden in a year and compare it to the average of most other countries, this will be the most telling sign. While Sweden has been lambasted as making an absolute mistake, destined to fail from most political commentators perspective, its stats are not significantly higher than any other place.

They should be. There should be death a plenty. There is not. This exposes the lie of covid.

Yet, I'll still get someone coming back at me with an article of pure spin, filled with 'facts' that have been aligned in such a way that make it look so severe. Their stats are not that bad. And none of the stats anywhere outweigh an average flu season.

I am not believing in this. I am skeptical as always, of the government and of every command to jump. It takes a big leap for the individual to first acknowledge participation in the group mind and to acknowledge all past decisions dictated by the group - especially those decisions we thought were individual ones - then we can acknowledge the lack of free-will and control in our own lives - only then can we then slowly increase actual control of our lives, little by little.

When it is all seen for what it is, it is pretty bleak and sobering but it is not the end. We've been living on a fluffy cloud and its time to come down now.

We're moving into an agenda for globalisation which is not a conspiracy and it all sounds wonderful on paper. Agenda 2030. It's accessible with a quick google search, you have to read between the lines to see what it actually means.

We are a frog slowly boiling in water, as our world tightly closes around us.

Again, I am not mentally ill or claiming any conspiracy theories. The closing in of freedoms is documented by reputable institutions.

Fear, is the general resort of many to considering such things. Where are we all going if this is true?

We have to decide that for ourselves. What is the point of life? Will you just go back to work as normal if/when covid is over? Are you sure that's what you want? Is that sustainable? Why are we here? What is life? What is a genuine motivation for living that is not dictated by modern society? Who am I without money? If money and society didn't exist, who or what would I be? Would I exist?

Why do we fear death? And how does this fear control my actions in life and trigger emotional responses that stop me from analyzing the bigger picture in a non-bias way?

If we've never asked these questions, now is a great time to do so.

Glad you're enjoying your coffee.







Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #18 on: May 25, 2020, 07:43:41
 Well... @Monty Cash Music there is much wisdom in what you say...

Especially this:

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It does not matter how true something is, or how much fact it really holds. It matters how many people collectively agree with something because they've been coerced by first a small group of individuals which then progressed into a greater pool, and now has control of mainstream perception.

Reality is one thing... but Perception is everything ...

That is the case no matter which group you are in...  you or I might might have the right facts and we may understand them and we may decide what is the right thing to do. It doesn’t mean we will come to the same conclusion.

If human nature and the world we live in were as simple as 2+2=4 all problems would have been solved millennia ago.

OK... here we go... but let’s have a beer  🍻

You believe the facts demonstrate that the Coronavirus is no more deadly than the common flu... I believe the facts demonstrate that the virus is 10 to 40 times more deadly.  Death rate for the flu is 0.1%. COVID Somewhere between 1 to 4%.

The Hong Kong Flu killed a million people between 1968 and 1970...a little over two years in total ... so  less than 500,000 per year, with no social distancing or other preventative measures.

COVID has killed 345,000 in 4 months. That’s more than a  Million people per year... with massive preventative measures. So COVID is at least twice as deadly ... even if preventative measures do nothing.

You claim that Sweden demonstrates that the massive preventative measures don’t make much difference. In Sweden people are social distancing and limiting travel etc. by choice. Maybe not as much as other countries... but their numbers are also a bit higher than average. It’s admirable that the Swedes are enjoying their Freedom with a sense of responsibility.... I wish that were the case with the rest of world.

You believe that the suffering caused by the shut down is worse than the disease. I believe there are cases where that is true. If your choice is risk infection or starve... I say risk infection. Starvation has a100% death rate.

Here is one example I hear... “the suicide rate is increasing due to people being shut in.” In the US in 2017 the average rate of suicide per day was 129. So far... in 2020 it is 132. That’s 3 additional deaths per day. In the US the total deaths from COVID is 97,720 since February 6th, 108 days ago. That’s 904 deaths per day... with massive preventative measures.

You and I could go Tit for Tat on these facts and how to interpret them from now until doomsday.... we won’t agree... but we both agree that we have Freedom to choose how to act. I respect your choice ... I hope you can respect mine....

Now how about a few more beers 🍻


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 13:58:34
« Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 14:37:10 by Monty Cash Music »
@1roomstudio

I do make the distinction between belief and analysis. And it is not semantics for myself at least. 'Belief' denotes emotional attachment to the material and an investment in a particular perspective.

I see your reasoning, but it is flawed from my perspective. It is great you are using your ability to analyse the data yourself.

We enter into the realm of pseudo intellectualism. Where everyone has the 'right' facts and the 'right' perspective. And we all have 'facts' to back it up.

Yet the moral perspective as dictated by mainstream media is often used to sway an argument and is passed off as an intellectual debate.

At the end of the day, we have ourselves, we have our own intuition and we have our own choices. I just wish to make it clear that to make a choice contrary to mainstream opinion is a choice. Youtube and facebook are publically censoring any perspective on covid that is not inline with the WHO - as well as your google searches. It is difficult to find unbiased information on supposedly decentralized mediums when their centralisation is exposed through censorship. Good journalism and the internet's success in general has been in its unbiased unfiltered data. Allowing individuals to make the decision for themselves. Well your ability to deduce the truth using your own reasoning has been removed. You must be kept safe from any truth that is not first doctored and edited by the 'accepted authorities'.

There are also major flaws in germ theory, and the prevalence of this in mainstream perception has been used as a tool to incite an excess of fear.

What was once used to over sell useless anti-bacterial products is now used to control society and its based on bad science.

 And despite how the media has lambasted the idea of a connection between 5g and covid infections as being a conspiracy theory, a study using the given statistics has been made on it and if anything, it requires further analysis - It was a spanish study, and here is a translation here - http://www.radiationdangers.com/5g/study-shows-direct-correlation-between-5g-networks-and-coronavirus-outbreaks-2/

To understand how this is related, in that diagnosis of Covid is not a fine science. Their testing techniques just detect for damaged cells which is then diagnosed as a virus - the same damage to cells that happens from exposure to radiation. There's some great resources here: http://questioningcorona.com

There will be some people in the population that will have better immune systems and be better at responding to the new radiowave environment and then also those that will not be.

I see your point about us going into isolation therefore the stats were kept lower. Sure... let's just see what happens. The original dire projected figures on casualty and infection by the WHO (projected figures, not actual data) did take into account a society in lockdown and even with lockdown it predicted that it would be many many (many) times higher. The original figures were completely wrong, yet we based a worldwide economic collapse and societal lockdown on them.  What we've experienced even with lockdown does not justify the measures that have been taken.

This 'virus' has made us afraid of each other. It's made us afraid of touching each other. It's inundated us with 'social distancing' which should be called 'bodily distancing'.

We need the constant interraction from people to develop our immune systems. When we isolate we create a breeding ground for viruses. We need constant communication via contact with people in order to maintain a healthy immune system. Not mentioning important hormones and neurochemicals that keep us happy, less stressed and therefore without sickness.

The power of the mind is amazing, if you believe you will get sick and you're in a state of constant fear, your chances of getting the virus are a lot higher. There are a lot of things that are counter intuitive to actually assisting us in relation to the measures that have been taken.

I will not be taking a 'vaccine'.

There is a race against the clock by big pharma to make a vaccine before the virus disappears naturally because how else would the UK and America be justified to buy those 100s of milliions of vaccine doses by September? https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/race-against-virus-disappearing-has-vaccine-pushers-worried-killing-big-pharma-profits

I wish you the best of luck with your individual research and decisions.



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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 15:01:31
« Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 15:13:55 by Monty Cash Music »
What must be deduced by everyone reading this conversation no matter what side they are on in the debate is that information, data, facts and perception are political. The prominence of any one perspective is a political thing and it involves industry, the prominence of facts or a branch of facts controls mass perception. There's a reason why corporations will pay scientists to do studies that find favour in their products, then get them peer reviewed and vwalah! have a 'factually qualified' product by 'experts'.

We must discard the idea that industry and government is looking out for you. It is not to say that everything is against you, no that's a type of psychosis. It is to acknowledge that politics has its loyalty in industry.

Our ability to use our intuition to make a correct individual decision is a sense that is developed by the self over a long period of time. Intuition is based on sub-conscious information (or all information we have in our awareness we cannot be consciously aware of all at once) and it is only as good as the data that enters our perception.

Input = output. Control what goes in and you can guarantee what comes out will be one of a few things and using statistics and probability, a population can be controlled via marketing of certain 'expert qualified' informations.

One principle that I learned working in sales (I've done a lot of different things) is something that holds true to advertising and coercion in mass perception alike -
Repetition is the master of learning

You repeat something enough times in someone's periphery and it creates an unspoken value for that thing. So when it pops up later, it will be thought to be the individual's free-will choice to choose that thing.

If we as individuals do not have an edge on how the group mind receives and responds to constantly repeated information, then we are at risk of being impartial to the group perspective on a subconscious level. And if we believe ourselves to be intelligent, will claim that this perspective was our individual free-will choice (it is quite humbling to see for the self when this is done by the self when we were convinced we were making an individual decision).

How can we then authentically claim to be individual and unbiased in our perspectives?

Urgency is used to push a particular course of action, which inhibits the intellect and activates the reptilian brain.

No one is making a rational decision, we're all being pushed into it, at breakneck speed and expected to be an educated public making an educated decision while simultaneously being pumped full of a particular brand of bullshit via the many brands of media.

This is not conspiracy, this is how perception is controlled and it is how we as individuals, believing we have free-will can end up making predictable decisions and are effectively controlled while believing ourselves to be 'free'.

To see outside of the box of societal control for the first time, is a scary thing. And many don't wish to see outside of it.

Infact, they will defend the perspective of the group mind as their own and attack those that have a different perspective. This is the preferred reaction of the 'individual' living in the 'free-will' belief system of modern 'democracy'. Thus why a snowball effect must be created with a different brand of information via the 10% critical mass method in order to coerce the public in the other direction.

What a fun game of back and forth, to and fro, we live within...  :dance: It's certainly going to be a rollercoaster ride over the next ten years.


Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #21 on: May 30, 2020, 21:12:44
« Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 21:40:01 by 1roomstudio »
Oops... you slipped another post in while I was working on responding.... no worries I’ll take a look that while you look at this..

Damn... using underlined italics from my “notes app didn’t translate to posting here... I’ll separate my comments with a return...then apply italics underline in this app.

It’s now my turn to thank you @Monty Cash Music for keeping this debate civilized. Without debate understanding is limited, if the debate is uncivil then it damages understanding.

Rather than use the quote function I’ve copied your entire post here so that I can address multiple points without going in and out of Preview. Not sure if if this is the smartest way to do this... but it works for me. My comments in underlined italic

Doh 🙄 and separated by “return”



I do make the distinction between belief and analysis. And it is not semantics for myself at least. 'Belief' denotes emotional attachment to the material and an investment in a particular perspective.

 Agreed

I see your reasoning, but it is flawed from my perspective. It is great you are using your ability to analyse the data yourself.

Thanks.. (I think 🤔)

We enter into the realm of pseudo intellectualism. Where everyone has the 'right' facts and the 'right' perspective. And we all have 'facts' to back it up.

Agreed

Yet the moral perspective as dictated by mainstream media is often used to sway an argument and is passed off as an intellectual debate.

Agreed, but that’s not to say the media, mainstream or otherwise, is always wrong. Sometimes they get the facts right, but the spin (whether left or right) is meant to “sway”

At the end of the day, we have ourselves, we have our own intuition and we have our own choices.

Agreed

I just wish to make it clear that to make a choice contrary to mainstream opinion is a choice.

Agreed ... regardless of the source, you have a choice to question it, believe it, or not.

 YouTube and facebook are publically censoring any perspective on covid that is not inline with the WHO - as well as your google searches.

I partially agree... I also think this wanders back into “it depends on what you believe.”

It is difficult to find unbiased information on supposedly decentralized mediums when their centralisation is exposed through censorship.

Agreed ... but I’m not convinced it’s as organized, widespread or as sinister as you indicate.

Good journalism and the internet's success in general has been in its unbiased unfiltered data.

Agreed

Allowing individuals to make the decision for themselves.

Agreed

Well your ability to deduce the truth using your own reasoning has been removed.

Hmmm 🤔 I refer you to your first two sentences in this paragraph

You must be kept safe from any truth that is not first doctored and edited by the 'accepted authorities'.

This statement is true no matter what the source. Even Isis had their “accepted authorities.”

There are also major flaws in germ theory, and the prevalence of this in mainstream perception has been used as a tool to incite an excess of fear.
 
Hmmm 🤔 if by “germ theory” you mean “modern medicine” yes... it is flawed. Any doctor or scientist worth their salt would agree with that. If you mean by “germ theory” that germs don’t cause disease then I don’t agree.

What was once used to over sell useless anti-bacterial products is now used to control society and its based on bad science.

Agreed that antibacterial products are overhyped, oversold, and miss understood by the average consumer. I would also agree that makers of these products take advantage of that. I don’t agree that they are useless and I think the second half of your sentence is a leap of faith based on your belief that the “mainstream thinking” is necessarily “group-think” and therefore “non-mainstream thinking” is somehow automatically “fact.”  I also refer you again to your statement above “At the end of the day, we have ourselves, we have our own intuition and we have our own choices.”



 And despite how the media has lambasted the idea of a connection between 5g and covid infections as being a conspiracy theory, a study using the given statistics has been made on it and if anything, it requires further analysis - It was a spanish study, and here is a translation here - http://www.radiationdangers.com/5g/study-shows-direct-correlation-between-5g-networks-and-coronavirus-outbreaks-2/

An axiom of science is that “correlation does not imply causation” 90% of people who die in traffic accidents ate vegetables within 24 hours... so... let the further analysis continue... I have no problem with that...

To understand how this is related, in that diagnosis of Covid is not a fine science. Their testing techniques just detect for damaged cells which is then diagnosed as a virus - the same damage to cells that happens from exposure to radiation. There's some great resources here: http://questioningcorona.com

There are two types of test, molecular - which tests for the DNA of the virus and Serological - which tests for specific antibodies that indicate COVID infection.

There will be some people in the population that will have better immune systems and be better at responding to the new radiowave environment and then also those that will not be.

Interesting how 5G has resurrected this old debate about radio waves, electromagnetism and health. And now conflated with the COVID death rate. It is true that microwaves can burn flesh. So does fire... it’s a matter of how close the flesh and how hot the fire. The physics behind this is not complicated.

I see your point about us going into isolation therefore the stats were kept lower. Sure... let's just see what happens.

Agreed

The original dire projected figures on casualty and infection by the WHO (projected figures, not actual data) did take into account a society in lockdown and even with lockdown it predicted that it would be many many (many) times higher.

There were numerous early predictions.


The original figures were completely wrong, yet we based a worldwide economic collapse and societal lockdown on them.  What we've experienced even with lockdown does not justify the measures that have been taken.

Some models assumed lockdown some did not. The basic premise that, if left unchecked, the infection rate would roughly double every two days was shown to be true. “Flattening the curve” has also been shown to result from lockdown. Whether one thinks the cost to the economy is worth the shutdown is a legitimate debate. Denial that the virus exists  or spreads faster or kills 10 to 40 times more than the flu, or belief that some or all of the damage and death is actually related to 5G is contributing to the spread.

This 'virus' has made us afraid of each other. It's made us afraid of touching each other. It's inundated us with 'social distancing' which should be called 'bodily distancing'.

Avoiding infection and thereby avoiding infecting others is not cowardly. It’s taking responsibility for our Freedom of Choice

We need the constant interraction from people to develop our immune systems. 
 
Agreed ... more or less constant. But dying is not the same as developing ones immune system. If you are referring to herd immunity... no worries... that is inevitable. We can flatten the curve but we can’t make it disappear. Why the hurry? Because of the damage to the economy and the resultant human suffering? Again... that is a legitimate debate.

When we isolate we create a breeding ground for viruses.

What!?  I think you mean that contact with the world and all of its germs helps to develop immunity. If so then agreed. Or perhaps you are referring to situations like nursing homes or prisons.... which are isolated... until the virus finds its way in.  Not sure... regardless, I get your overall point, which is, we can’t live in isolation forever. Or perhaps you believe we should never isolate because  it’s pointless and counterproductive. Again... that is a legitimate debate.

 We need constant communication via contact with people in order to maintain a healthy immune system. Not mentioning important hormones and neurochemicals that keep us happy, less stressed and therefore without sickness.
Agreed, except for the word “constant” ... I would say “relatively constant.” There’s no need to “die for the cause of herd immunity.”

The power of the mind is amazing, if you believe you will get sick and you're in a state of constant fear, your chances of getting the virus are a lot higher.

Agreed ... except maybe for the phrase “a lot.”

There are a lot of things that are counter intuitive to actually assisting us in relation to the measures that have been taken.

 Agreed

I will not be taking a 'vaccine'.

That is your choice... understand then that it is highly probable that you will eventually be infected... you might get lucky... but this virus will be around for many years... you also might be lucky enough to have mild... or no symptoms. If you do get it... please isolate until it runs its course. At that point you have been vaccinated by the virus itself... or you are dead.

There is a race against the clock by big pharma to make a vaccine before the virus disappears

Hong Kong Flu is still with us today. And people still take flu shots every year. This virus will also be around for many years. The point of the vaccine is to reach herd immunity while mitigating human suffering and death.

...naturally because how else would the UK and America be justified to buy those 100s of milliions of vaccine doses by September? https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/race-against-virus-disappearing-has-vaccine-pushers-worried-killing-big-pharma-profits

I won’t be getting vaccinated.

I’m looking forward to my vaccination.... one saved me from smallpox and another saved me from polio.... they didn’t have one for measles when I was a kid... wish they did... I have vivid memories of that horrifying experience. Glad my kids didn’t have to go through it.  I know there are risks with vaccination as well.... small compared to risking infection... and you can’t spread the disease from a vaccination.

I think I counted 12 times that I agreed with you. We are mostly on the same page. Our differences come down to... which facts from which sources we choose to believe and the question of, regardless of the facts, our opinion on whether some, or any, degree of lockdown, isolation, or distancing is warranted: which I have said several times is a legitimate debate.

I wish you the best of luck with your individual research and decisions.
And I wish the same for you... now how about getting back to discussing music?

See you in the Kitchen...😎


Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #22 on: May 30, 2020, 21:48:39
@Monty Cash Music ... well... I read your 2nd post (posted as I was replying to your earlier one)

I agree with it in its entirety... it is a lucid argument for my original premise (and my personal motto)

Which is...

Reality is one thing... Perception is everything. 😎


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #23 on: June 02, 2020, 13:31:27
« Last Edit: June 02, 2020, 13:36:34 by Monty Cash Music »
@1roomstudio

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now how about getting back to discussing music?

It would be nice if we could return to wonderland and forget all this exists. For myself my ability to be a musician is closely linked to my individual requirement to be authentic. Without being able to be clear about my perspectives, there is no music for me - the music of life or otherwise.

We've already gone to lengths on this discussion, so yes, here we are on a music forum having a discussion about covid-19. That again, is acknowledged. Infact, you willingly engaged and I find this comment dismissive.

It is not my intention to lambaste the mainstream media as purely 'sinister' as you put it. Yes, there is truth in there as well, otherwise it would have no footing in perception. However the placement of misinformation or spin in a set of raw data, no matter how small, can change the outcome or decisions made by the subjective listeners/viewers.

I've deduced that you do not often read or check external links that I provide with my posts but rather continue on with your argument - and in this, it is assumed you have checked the data I have presented when I read your posts.

The issue here is that we are actually all looking at the same statistics and it is impossible to come up with any other interpretation of them, if they are looked at without bias. I am not looking at or 'believing' in different data, I'm looking at the same data and making the most logical conclusions. Thus my vehemency, and thus my need to reiterate over and over again how the group mind is controlled through repetition of certain sets of information.

For example, let's look at the CDCs figures and covidtracking sites on casualty and infection in regards to the United States - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
and here - https://covidtracking.com/data

You'll discover in close careful study that states that did not impose lockdown have done better on both counts with less casualties and less infections.

This is not a misinterpretation of the facts, or spin, it's simply looking at the data and doing the maths.

Here is a conclusion to an article that is written on this premise:
"The proportion of COVID19 deaths to all deaths is lower on average in
the states without lockdown, the control group, than in the states with
lockdown, the experimental group.  This held true also in states with
the same population density.

Also, the percent of expected deaths, for the COVID19 period compared
to previous years of the same season, from all causes, is as of this
time lower in the free states than in the lockdown states after about
two months of lockdown.

Quarantine of an entire state population, for disease control
purpose, is an experiment without historical precedent.  The stated goal
of quarantine of the well population was purportedly to reduce
mortality from COVID19.

CDC data proved the experiment failed.  Both COVID19 death rates were
lower, and overall deaths were lower than expected in the free states
than in neighboring lockdown states."
https://peakd.com/corona/@activistpost/covid19-a-controlled-study

And why is Forbes, a reputable magazine, printing articles on 600 doctors sending a letter to Donald Trump, telling him the stress of lockdown is not worth the results of the lockdown? https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2020/05/22/600-physicians-say-lockdowns-are-a-mass-casualty-incident/#1e0ce9e250fa

The suicides, the heartattacks, the home deaths, the myriads of things that are going wrong at home because of forced domestication.

These doctors state that more lives will be ruined because of the lockdown. Why do you or I think we have qualified opinions when physicians in the field themselves are gathering en masse to say otherwise?

It is time the average citizen questioned the current narrative.

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Yes, there is 'fake news' but even the popularisation of the term and usage of 'fake news' was a mainstream media idea.

https://3speak.online/watch?v=rok-sivante/zdqdlern

Often more extreme versions of the truth will be introduced into the media as way to bait the public to rebound and choose the more conservative view having dumped the baby of truth out with the bathwater of conspiracy. This has been done time and time again.

It takes an effort of will for the average citizen to actually want to discover what is really going on in this world.

Things will never return to normal and the idea that it will is absolutely repugnant because things also NEED to change.

By a over-hyped pandemic or by an alien invasion... it doesn't matter. The world as it is, cannot go on and if we return to life and business as normal, we have learned absolutely nothing from this situation.








Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #24 on: June 03, 2020, 04:15:34
Wow @Monty Cash Music  all this and you never even mentioned anything about the coffee options.  ;)    :bonk:
I'm partial to a Columbian dark roast that I can get here at the farmer's market … well at least once they open it.  :)   I hope they do soon! 
Does Australia grow coffee?  … Google search says Australian coffee is the best in the world but not whether you grow it or not. Maybe just roast it?

re- all the non-coffee stuff

The idea of group mind is pretty fascinating to me. In America the two political parties can really make a mess of things, sadly. People very very loyal to what ? …. really.

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….. I'll start digging up the roads and let nature back in to the earth. What a mess we've made of the place. Has anyone else had enough? 

^^^ anyway, I think this all the time too.  :)
Flying cars is the answer. Why do we need paved roads, tires, all that … Oil industry of course.
that and … I mean think how bad traffic is already. Now imagine some jerk passing you from up above or below … or not using the turn signal … or the down or up signals ?!?!  :o

Hey so have you been to the USA?
The thing about the statistics is that USA is so diverse. Geographically, culturally, etc.  So Florida is nothing like New York and Washington is nothing like Texas, etc. Even within each state it is so diverse! I live in one of the smallest states in the union and we still have over 160 towns each with their own government and each one so different. I wanted a better life for my child and I literally moved 10 miles down the road so he could go to a better school! Just moving that short distance away allowed us so many opportunities … it's crazy.
Everything is so different everywhere. CT having more deaths than Florida ( a state that is 10 times bigger and 10 times warmer! ) but deaths in CT are mostly from the NY metropolitan area. … and very sadly from our nursing homes there.  :(
It's hard to explain to you how different each little tiny part of the tiniest state in this huge country is. That's the part that the numbers don't show. I mean it is what it is.

America is so bad off right now. It's really sad. It seems like the Coronavirus is over and old news in the cities. People are doing a lot more than just questioning at this point. So we'll see more evidence of effectiveness of social distancing or not, I guess.  :(     
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November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #25 on: June 04, 2020, 01:45:03
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 02:34:28 by Monty Cash Music »
@Bill from November Sound

For sure man, I've not been to the US but have good friends that live there. The statistics all around the world, no matter the accuracy of reporting are far below the need for a national emergency which includes a martial law style lockdown.

I can cite article after article that states this premise, by experts and physicians in the field.

Yet, the prevalence of a particular perspective is as good as the repeated data in perception.

I read that Hawaii had one new casualty and that seemed to be enough to lockdown reality for another month.

Western Australia where I am living, has had under 30 casualties. Some say it's because of the effectiveness of the methods involved. Others, including experts have realised that this virus has been used as a political game, its existence is not in question. It's lethality is. All statistics everywhere no matter the location and accuracy show no more than 0.3% casualty. It is not to say that we should just disregard these people. It is to say that lockdown of healthy individuals is unprecedented in an attempt to quarantine a virus for something that causes no more deaths than the common flu. Yes, it is detectable and yes it can be distinquished from other viruses but so can a myriad of other causes of death to the human body that far outweigh the casualty rating. We do not lock down society for them. https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/cdc-destroys-scamdemic-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-of-0-26

People have just trusted that this is the best method possible. It is not.

And we go along with this facade of isolation and the videos and the group support of all the people doing 'isolation' together. Group trauma is a guaranteed way to align the intentions of people. Everyone together is 'fighting together'.

At the end of the day, people believe what they want to believe; and fear, stress and anxiety has the power to create problems that were not there before.

It is always an easier solution to go along with the group than it is to stand up and make an individual conscious choice, outside of public opinion.

It is a hard thing to do, to meticulously and personally go through the 'facts'. It requires effort that a very small percentage of people care to input.

I'm angry... I'm angry that people have been taken for a ride and I'm angry that the invisible cage of this pandemic is just accepted as the new normal by many. It is not normal and our rights have disappeared. Were they there in the first place if we never knew how to protect them?

But sure, let's just go back to discussing music, while our freedoms disappear. As long as we have a computer we can keep rattling on about our bullshit isolated in our room, pretending that everything is safe. Wonder why I have passion and it can be felt in my music? Because I'm authentic!

The solution is community outside of a money system and outside of government. This requires conscious effort of the individuals involved and no longer can we get our free lunch in our self-entitled western society. We actually have to face the pain of running this show ourselves.

Here's the conclusion of an article written by an infectious disease specialist comparing Sweden with Canada,
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Sweden, which allowed for more community transmission, is the measure of this strategy. More deaths per capita did occur than in Canada. On the positive side, Sweden’s number of new cases has peaked and Sweden will be better protected against future waves and the need for future restrictions. In the absence of a vaccine, it is a question of paying now or paying later. While the realistic goal of Canada’s lockdown was to delay deaths, it was never going to avoid them entirely. One year from now, Canada and Sweden may well have the same number of deaths per capita, but Canada may have had significantly more economic and social impacts.
  https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opinion-we-are-infectious-disease-experts-its-time-to-lift-the-covid-19-lockdowns


Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #26 on: June 04, 2020, 03:13:17
I seriously wonder what people think of the states that's why I ask.
Many friends from around the world are amazed when I explain how decentralized everything is.
But yeah ...
I believe it @Monty Cash Music .  That's one of the reasons your music is good and why your life is fascinating to me. I mean obviously this is a songwriters forum amd we're hanging out in the cafe so part of this is entertainment. I learn a lot from you and others from around the world and I love it.
I think about what you write and I even tell people I know about you here in my uber fortunate professional middle class bubble. I am fascinated by all of this.
I wonder if you're happy.
Seriously, it's something I think about.
When you get to a certain level of off grid, off matrix understanding of the world outside of the group mind I think it can cause some problems.
I do go there and it causes some real consequences for me health-wise.

I can't be like you. But, that's okay that's what I like about you.
Early on you posted a video where the man said, "what am I going to start a revolution in my backyard?!?" I know my place. In this life I'll never be revolutionary. No one would listen to me. It seems like people listen to you, though.
I listen to most all of your music and I read what you write.

Yes, I hang out in the cafe for entertainment but it's not in a mocking way. I enjoy the conversation, the different viewpoints and I'm thankful for the friendships I've made.  :)
   
 


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #27 on: June 05, 2020, 01:43:47
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@Bill from November Sound

You're very kind Bill, thanks for this.

I've experienced happiness once, it was when I was living in a forest squat south of London - we all made our own houses, grew food, dug wells and worked together as a loose community. We were still dependent on the system in many ways but the feeling and satisfaction of 'making yourself' was there and that's what made it worth while. Sure there were cold nights in winter living through hoar frost under a feather blanket you found outside of a charity shop. But the amazing sense of being independent gave me a satisfaction to my life I have never felt in anything else I've done.

I realised through long introspection living on the streets around the world that this society commodifies our independence, monopolizes on it and then sells it back to us in a 'better' more pre-packaged form. But all of this freedom is ours now, if we take it. As it stands the walls are closing in.

No one person is going to change anything, as a group we stand a chance to grow an even larger group and this can tip the scales into a responsible society. It is not easy, and there is no free-lunch, infact its going to be a shitload of hard work - but it is better to face the smaller pain now than to face the regret of a future locked down by our inactivity and tacit consent now.

I've learned for myself at least that when I keep my honesty inside, it's a pain that digs at me and grows and grows until it is unbearable.  Will we die? Yes, everyone will die one day, let's discard our fear of death and fight and work together for a future that is sustainable, humane and without totalitarianism of any form.


Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #28 on: June 06, 2020, 01:20:14
Greetings once again @Monty Cash Music


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t would be nice if we could return to wonderland and forget all this exists. For myself my ability to be a musician is closely linked to my individual requirement to be authentic. Without being able to be clear about my perspectives, there is no music for me - the music of life or otherwise.

We've already gone to lengths on this discussion, so yes, here we are on a music forum having a discussion about covid-19. That again, is acknowledged. Infact, you willingly engaged and I find this comment dismissive.

It is not my intention to lambaste the mainstream media as purely 'sinister' as you put it. Yes, there is truth in there as well, otherwise it would have no footing in perception. However the placement of misinformation or spin in a set of raw data, no matter how small, can change the outcome or decisions made by the subjective listeners/viewers.

I've deduced that you do not often read or check external links that I provide with my posts but rather continue on with your argument - and in this, it is assumed you have checked the data I have presented when I read your posts.

The issue here is that we are actually all looking at the same statistics and it is impossible to come up with any other interpretation of them, if they are looked at without bias. I am not looking at or 'believing' in different data, I'm looking at the same data and making the most logical conclusions. Thus my vehemency, and thus my need to reiterate over and over again how the group mind is controlled through repetition of certain sets of information.

You are indeed authentic... if you were not, there would be no point for me to engage in the discussion. Exchange of differing ideas is an essential part of Democracy. I participate because it is important.

My suggestion to bring some aspect of music back into the discussion was to give some due to why we are all here. Indeed, the title of your thread is a request for music.

No intention to dismiss... I frankly believed, based on the tone and content of your post regarding advertising and media that you were moving on... I was following your lead... or so I thought.

I’m a bit miffed that you didn’t, acknowledge my whole hearted ❤️ agreement to the entirety of that post. As I said... it was lucid and well thought out. (I bet you are fan of Noam Chomsky... as am I)

Nor did you acknowledge the fact that I agreed with most of the post before that. Specifically and most importantly, I have stated several times over the various posts that it is a legitimate question; whether the lives saved by the lockdown is worth the negative results of the lockdown.

I’m beginning to wonder if you really want to get into the gritty Point by Point math or just vent. I don’t believe I’ve seen an actual equation yet.... from you... not buried in the links. I don’t mind if you want to vent.... I’m doing the same.

I sense your frustration that we could be looking at the same facts and doing the math and yet coming to different conclusions. Facts are neutral. As I’ve said before... we can go tit-for-tat, as we have, and continue to have differing opinions as to what the facts mean.  I’m OK with that...  maybe you are not. Maybe you  are  not frustrated ... maybe it’s just your style and I’m miss-interpreting your intent. Not sure 🤔....

Back to the debate.... I’m sure you’ve seen this “ Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist, addresses a news conference Wednesday in Stockholm. "There are things we could have done better," Tegnell told a Swedish newspaper....” "If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,"

That’s a fact... interpret it as you will...


Regarding the Letter from 600 doctors .... interesting that they cite  600% increase in calls to suicide prevention lines. They could have said “six times more” but that 600 looks bigger and rhymes with 600 doctors.... catchy bit of “propaganda through repetition” there....  I’m joking 🙃 but it does make me laugh.

So... let’s assume 6x as many calls translates into 6x as many suicides. I’ve pointed out earlier that the increase in the US due to COVID is 3 per day... so now it’s 3 x 6 = 18 per day. There have been over 100,000 deaths from COVID  in the US in less than 5 months...

The other point made by the 600 doctors was that people in fear are not going to the hospital.... this is indeed a very serious problem. I don’t blame people for being afraid to go to the hospital... if I were having a medical issue I would think twice... But I believe a heart attack would convince me to risk it... but that’s me.

If people are afraid to go to the hospital under the lockdown conditions, how much more afraid would they be if there were no lockdown and the death rate were higher?

We could go on.... your call.


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Re: Suggestions for Gypsy Cafe Music!
Reply #29 on: June 07, 2020, 04:47:59
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 05:20:38 by Monty Cash Music »
@1roomstudio

I apologize for not acknowledging your agreements. I'm grateful that we share many views in regards to politics. I'm also grateful for your empathy and your ability to listen otherwise this discussion would not have gotten as far as it has without exploding into an all out war. And once a situation has reached the point of absolute conflict, true rational deduction is no longer possible.

I agree with you, I thought I was moving on too. This has been a partial vent and also a partial 'getting the facts straight'.

In my perspective the crux of this discussion runs much deeper than COVID-19.

I can make a fancy tune, with a great melody and harmonies and produced well, listened to by millions. I get old, I die. Woopee doo! What has been achieved? A little dopamine rush here or there, a metaphorical masturbation in the corner. Has anyone else decided to attach their music to their life purpose and the purpose of humanity as a whole in order to achieve a greater spiritual goal? Or shall we keep pretending the music industry and its many faceted delusional hierarchies based entirely in human perception is the bees knees of human honesty and expression? I will let the reader decide.

From my perspective this discussion is entirely relevant to my music because like my music it is directly inline with my motivations to be alive.

I digress on this topic:

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Back to the debate.... I’m sure you’ve seen this “ Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist, addresses a news conference Wednesday in Stockholm. "There are things we could have done better," Tegnell told a Swedish newspaper....” "If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,"

That’s a fact... interpret it as you will...

The correct statement at the end of this would not be for me, 'that's a fact'. It would be.. 'that was spoken', or 'that happened'. It is a good perspective, and the fact that it comes from a epidemologist also makes it reputable.

However, this can also be duly pinned as a public relations stunt by the Swedish government in order to ease the extremely critical tensions they have been suffering from other nations and in the international media so as to 'find a middle ground' to preserve the countries economy, international relations and long-term tourism.

Let's look at both sides of the coin shall we?

 
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So... let’s assume 6x as many calls translates into 6x as many suicides. I’ve pointed out earlier that the increase in the US due to COVID is 3 per day... so now it’s 3 x 6 = 18 per day. There have been over 100,000 deaths from COVID  in the US in less than 5 months...

First of all, sure this is also propaganda but no more than the figures you are spouting. Let's accept that ALL of it is propaganda and that is why it is such an effort of will to actually come to a conclusion that vaguely resembles 'the facts'.

It is important to mention that COVID-19 Stats from  Italy, the US and other countries are not accurate because many deaths are assigned to COVID-19 when they are actually contributing causes to pre-morbidities and sometimes multiple pre-morbidities.

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"Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death"
- https://www.medicalboard.iowa.gov/document/guidelines-reporting-and-certifying-covid-19-deaths

'Assumed', not tried and tested after a cross-examination of the corpse - 'assumed'. This inflates the casualty rate and gives justification for further lockdowns.

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"Probable or Presumed COVID-19 should be the underlying cause of death."
- When do we start attributing real science that causes the need for martial law to the words 'probable', 'presumed' and 'assumed'.

Let's look at Italy as it has been used as a goal post for the world in regards to setting the standard for the level of fear propaganda spread through the world's media.

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"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

"On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three," he says. "
- https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120443722/coronavirus-is-covid19-really-the-cause-of-all-the-fatalities-in-italy

The countries that are setting the goal posts for the lock down measures of the world have not been reporting accurate statistics.

Like Italy, the US counts anyone tested with or assumed to have COVID-19 as dying of/from/by COVID-19. Even people who die of dehydration, cancer, etc. have the COVID-19 as a death cause on their death certificate. If we are to do the maths and only 12% of the total deaths are genuine COVID-19 deaths, you get 13,000 deaths instead of 109,000.

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Accurate figures for COVID-19 deaths are not available. Task force member Dr. Deborah Birx stated on Apr 7, 2020, that patients who died of other causes might still be counted as dying of COVID-19 if they had a positive test at the time of their death.[5] [5] Because of delays in data reporting, it will be months before we know whether all-cause mortality for the year is unusual.

            Information on the sensitivity and specificity of tests for SARS-CoV-2 has been incomplete or conflicting. Some doctors have simply decided to treat suspected patients with azithromycin and hydroxycholoroquine, as testing was not available or perceived as inaccurate.

            Because of the lack of testing kits, the total number of those who have contracted COVID-19 is much higher than reported, as most COVID-19 infections are mild or not even felt by patients.

            Predictive modeling is meaningless if based on unreliable data. The Chinese communist government has lied about the epidemic from the beginning. Numbers from Italy may be more reliable, but can we assume the U.S. will go the way of Italy? Italy has the most elderly population in Europe, a high rate of smoking, and in northern Italy the highest concentration of Chinese workers, who frequently travel back and forth to home.[6] [6]
- Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - https://aapsonline.org/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-apocalypse-or-anti-american/

To take this from another angle there have also been statistics changed by yet other countries that wish to make the situation seem less morbid than what it is as motivation NOT to lock down. Having considered all of this information, it is no far reach from the ball park for any human with half a brain to see that ALL of these statistics are deeply entrenched in politics and the intent of the government in any given location.

So let's look at what is actually happening, for example, hospitals in America and around the world are empty -


(I don't endorse all this man's views, I'm just using his first hand reporting as a reference. This is one of many many videos showing the same around the world).

You wouldn't know this, if you were stuck inside your home in isolation only watching 'certified' media on the collective histeria train, working together to 'stay home, stay safe'. It is quite easy to find a large collection of citizen journalism reporting the same via a quick search.

The extent of the lethality of the disease is more prevalent in the mind than it is in actuality.

And the article in Forbes mentioned regarding the 600 physicians is not the only article with this perspective, let us find a few more shall we? A quick DuckDuckGo Search (not Google) and look what I found in a minute (just a handful of what's available):
Coronavirus Anxiety Costs More Lives Than the Lockdowns Save From COVID-19, Study Finds - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/05/06/coronavirus-anxiety-costs-more-lives-than-the-lockdowns-save-from-covid-19-study-finds-n388703
CNN - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/europe/lockdown-skeptics-coronavirus-intl/
Times of Israel - https://www.timesofisrael.com/complete-lockdown-would-cause-more-harm-than-good-dissenting-top-doctor-claims/
Daily Wire - https://www.dailywire.com/news/sichel-how-much-damage-are-the-lockdowns-causing
Principia Scientific - https://principia-scientific.org/how-history-shows-pandemic-lockdowns-are-not-necessary/
Strategic Culture Foundation - https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/05/29/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-as-global-false-alarm/
Lockdown was a failure in China - https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/lockdowns-are-a-failure-reason-to-get-off-the-corona-phobia-bandwagon-pt-2
Fox News - https://www.foxnews.com/media/coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-alex-berenson

By the way, while so many have lost their jobs due to this pandemic, did you know the rich have gotten richer in this period?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8250387/American-billionaires-gotten-280BILLION-richer-start-pandemic.html

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Imposing lockdown policies to protect public health and mitigate death is increasingly looking overwrought. New data makes continuing these lockdowns downright destructive.
CFact - https://www.cfact.org/2020/05/18/do-lockdowns-stop-viruses/

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White House economic adviser Peter Navarro said the coronavirus shutdowns will “indirectly” kill more people than the virus itself.

“If you lock people down, you may save lives directly from the China virus, but you indirectly — you’re going to kill a lot more people,” he told NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday.

Navarro said unemployment leads to more suicides, depression, and substance abuse. He also cited the disruptions the virus has caused to the health industry as many medical procedures and screenings have been put on hold during the pandemic.
Washington Examiner - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-economic-adviser-claims-lockdowns-will-kill-many-more-people-than-the-coronavirus

This is a many varied collection of sources, and only through cross-referencing mainstream media with independent journalism can we even start to envision any resemblance to a story that outlines 'the facts'.

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In regards to censorship of non-WHO COVID-19 perspectives:
 
A 'debunked' video regarding COVID-19 was used as a trigger for youtube to censor any perspective that did not fall inline with World Health Organizations' perspectives on COVID-19. A classic move by the media to use an extreme to impose public perspective into accepting censorship with open arms, believing it brings protection - https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/alt-tech-platforms-resurface-plandemic-1.5577013

Here's a bunch of articles relaying this sentiment:
RT - https://www.rt.com/op-ed/489002-youtube-censorship-scientists-covid-19/
Mint Press News - https://www.mintpressnews.com/big-tech-firms-censoring-coronavirus-fake-news/265862/
New American - https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/35722-exploiting-covid19-big-tech-censors-become-big-brother
Trump's Anti-Censorship Order Will Promote More Censorship - https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/trump-s-anti-censorship-order-will-promote-more-censorship-deep-dives-18 and https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@krnel/social-media-companies-act-as-editors-trump-signs-executive-order-to-remove-liability-shield

YouTube Debuts Plan to Promote and Fund 'Authoritative' News https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-debuts-plan-to-promote-fund-authoritative-news/
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YouTube is also expanding a feature, currently available in 17 countries, that shows up on the homepage during breaking news events. This section of the homepage will only surface videos from sources YouTube considers authoritative. The same goes for the videos that YouTube recommends viewers watch next."

The WHO (World Health Organisation), the institution from which all this projected data came from to impose international lockdown measure does not have a spotless record. Infact, like the IMF and other international agencies has a major history of corruption - https://www.globalresearch.ca/politics-corruption-who/5702045
https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2020/03/26/the-who-a-bloated-corrupt-unaccountable-thug-hugging-bureaucracy/
WHO director originally claimed in January that COVID-19 could not spread from human to human - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-who-director-says-world-was-slow-to-react-to-coronavirus-after-he-claimed-in-january-coronavirus-could-not-be-spread-by-human-to-human-contact-video/

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Recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement that they had worked with Facebook to curb vaccine “misinformation.” Therefore, it appears that an international organization is working with a social media company to usurp free speech and accountable democracy in America.
CDC and WHO Corrupt Financial Entanglements with the Vaccine Industry https://childrenshealthdefense.org/cdc-who/

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I highly suggest you ACTUALLY watch this 1 hour long interview with these two practicing qualified ER professionals to get a decent perspective of the statistics and the response of the world to COVID-19 as a pandemic  - https://3speak.online/watch?v=rok-sivante/ixqwogmi

Here's an article about this video's censorship on youtube: https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-with-dr-dan-erickson-and-dr-artin-massihi-taken-down-from-youtube

It's a testament to the impartiality of the media and its ability and willingness to control public perspective through censorship.

Aren't we in a democracy where each individual is intelligent enough to make their own decision? No, instead we're treated as stupid naive children and limited as to which 'facts' we are allowed to view for our own 'safety'.

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Conclusion:
It truly is up to the individual to decide the facts. But the one thing that the 'democratic view' counts on in modern society is the inability for the average citizen to use critical thinking and rational deduction when it comes to information spouted by the media.

Thus why I don't actually have much hope for the changing of the minds of people. One thing this situation has proven is that when it comes to the majority, 'free-will' is an illusion - put enough contributing factors in one direction in the public eye and society as a whole is directed without a second thought. It forms itself as a cohesive unit around these perspectives no matter how right or wrong they might be.

This is not the perspective of a conspiracy theorist, it is the reality of this fucked up situation. For those of us that have been preparing for this 'lockdown' for many years, it is no surprise that it comes in the guise of a virus. Even if this lockdown is lifted by whatever means, it is quite clearly just the beginning.

We have to look at the issues in this world that we have been distracted from, by this 'scamdemic'. For example, world poverty, refugees, global warming, economic tensions and takeovers in the middle east and Venezuela... amongst a many myriad of causes we've suddenly lost motivation to focus on and fight.

How easily we are controlled and how easily our focus is trained. As a first world citizen, I acknowledge my entitlement and I by no means consider myself superior to anyone. My birth place has decided my fate and that is unfair. So many of us just turn a blind eye, focusing on 'positivity' believing we are immune to the consequences of our own willing ignorance and naivety.

The brick and mortar in the walls of the prison of this system is made by the apathy and fear of the self-proclaimed individuals participating as an unthinking group.

Imagine if we created a world based on acceptance. This would require conscious responsibility of the individual and that quite simply is something that does not exist in modern democracy.

There is no forgiveness for stupidity.

Disclaimer: I do not agree 100% with any of the sources I have provided. I do not see a clear representation of the facts in any one source. Only by reading and cross-referencing the same or similar data from many conflicting sources can a real picture of what's going on be deduced.



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