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Everything That Rises
on: August 13, 2016, 18:47:21
Hi folks, here's a song I finished earlier this week if you would kindly have a listen.

https://soundcloud.com/ashbordeaux/everything-that-rises

It's very minimal, piano and vocal, and I used a vocal plugin in Ableton Live to mimic a mic preamp but it made the breaths really harsh :( I didn't feel like trying to fix it tho, so just left it.

Thanks and I'm looking forward to hearing more of the music here. What i've heard so far is great :)



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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 19:32:48
Hi Ash

I think this is a very strong song, with cool chords, great chord progressions

great in my opinion @AshBordeaux  ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb::


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #2 on: August 14, 2016, 01:17:28
Hey @AshBordeaux thanks for sharing! Sounds nice to me!! My main suggestion would be to review the mix/production, the vocal seems to sit on top of the mix too much imo, it's not 'part' of the mix.
I'd keep both voice and piano center-panned to start with, and I'd turn up the piano gain a bit (or drop the vocal in gain a bit)..
I love the tune though, nice chords and piano playing!
Cheers and great to have you around here!
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I'm proud of this track, check it out! https://soundcloud.com/martimedia/dreams


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 06:57:32
Hi Ash,

This is an interesting song - would like to see the lyrics for this if you can post them.

It sounds like I should be listening to it in a dark bar somewhere. It has a great laid back live feel to it.

I agree with MM - the piano could be a bit louder in the mix.

cheers

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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 13:56:18
Thanks for listening @MartiMedia  and @Dutchbeat. I need to re-mix and fix some of the technical issues. Thanks again!!!!  ::heart::


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 14:02:39
Thanks for having a listen @jurgen and asking about the lyrics. Here they are:

verse 1

Things fall apart so effortlessly
I don't know. It could be worse.
The things you wanted, je ne sais pas.
Her sorrow waters the earth
Her flowers bloom in reverse

pre-pre-chorus thingy?

Everything that rises
Comes together in the end
The grass feels strangely different these days
And your weary feet know where you've been.

pre-chorus

But the night time reveals what the light of daytime hides
Who sleeps alone and sings a drunken lullabye

Chorus

Heaven couldn't hold you
But they probly should have told you
Even angels can forget how to fly

verse 2

Things were so simple then
Our hearts were green
You show me yours, I'll show you mine

But the whole damn world
Is a crooked scene
Walt Disney must have been high
This empty heart's not always light



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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #6 on: August 14, 2016, 14:09:05
What gear/software do you use to record your songs @AshBordeaux ? MM


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #7 on: August 14, 2016, 15:00:34
@MartiMedia I'm using Ableton Live. Have been slowly learning some production over the last couple months.

I have a decent studio condenser mic, AudioTechnica AT2050 that I'm using for vocals and acoustic guitar on my other songs.

Piano is just an off-brand digital piano. It has full 88 weighted keys though wlhich is nice, so the piano track on that song is actually midi, and then the stock Ableton Live Grand Piano which is based on samples.

When I record vocals with this mic they sound really flat to me, so I got this cheap vst called Nectar Elements by Izotope to simulate some warmth like you would get from a good preamp. It did make it sound dryer and warmer but when I applied that it made my breathing really harsh...

I did the mixing on headphones which I think is part of the problem... when i listen on speakers it sounds off.... piano is too quiet compared to vocals... and i think you're right... i need to just have them centered and not panned at all :/


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 15:23:16
Quick mobile reply: @AshBordeaux can you add the two unprocessed vocap track and the piano midi file to a zip and attach that file to a reply on this thread? Maybe I can try to make it sound more natural..


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #9 on: August 14, 2016, 21:51:25
Wow @MartiMedia thanks for taking a look if you can... Here's the midi file and the plain wav of the vocal track without any effects or anything.

The only thing that might make it difficult to work with is that I was using tempo automation for dramatic effect in Ableton. I was slowing way down coming up on the changes between the different parts. I took a screen shot so you can see what i'm talking about. The automation envelope is at the bottom. I'm basically at 72bpm but then slowing down to around 45bpm for dramatic effect at certain points.

I'm pretty new with this midi stuff, so I wasn't sure if this was the best way to go about this or not...


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 00:35:18
« Last Edit: August 15, 2016, 00:42:17 by MartiMedia »
Hey @AshBordeaux !

I played with the input for half an hour and in the attachment you'll find the result.
Keen to mention the bpm changes. I work with Reaper and tempo changes are a hell to
deal with (seems Ableton is doing a better job, looking at your screenshot ;-) ).
Since I wanted to try to make the sound better, I left out the tempo changes for that
reason.

Here's the (private) link:
https://soundcloud.com/martimedia/everythingthatrisesmm/s-FCvbm
I enabled downloads, and I'd recommend that, because then you receive the uncompressed
wav version ;-)

Here's what I did:

I created three tracks:

1. Vocal
2. Vocal (copy)
3. Piano - Run the MIDI to East West Play Pianos Gold (a Bosendorfer piano sampled
with immense detail). I have access to almost all East West libraries through East
West Composer Cloud (30 euro a month) and I can recommend this subscription

On both vocals I inserted an EQ, a compressor and a gate*
On vocal track 1 and 2 I cut the low frequencies beneath 120 Hz to get rid of low
rumble.
On vocal track 1 I compressed using a treshold to ensure the loudest vocal parts
are reduced in volume. I compressed at ratio 3:1.
On vocal track 2 I compressed using an incredible low treshold to be sure every-
thing is compressed and I set the ratio insane high to 16:1
This type of compression is called 'parallel compression' and it will make voices
feel like in-your-face, that's because the subtle details become audible.

On both vocal tracks I dialed in the gates so there's complete silence when you're
not singing.

I created a vocalreverb bus and sent vocal track 1 to the reverb. With the gain
slider of the vocal reverb I dialed in just enough for the reverb to be audible.
I created a roomreverb bus and sent all tracks to that bus. With the gain slider
of the room reverb I dialed in just enough for the room reverb to be audible, this
is to 'glue' the mix together.

On the master bus I installed a compressor that compresses the peaks of the mix
with a ratio of 2:1 (treshold dialed in at the point the peaks appear).
Finally I added a limiter after the compressor in the master bus, set the out
ceiling to -0.1dB and the treshold way down until the mix sounds loud enough,
but also preserves most of the dynamic range of the song.


I hope you have enough information about what I did, and if you like how it sounds
now you can do it yourself! (including the tempo changes ;-) )Let me know if this was
helpful and even better: let me hear it when you have a new version!

Cheers!
MM


*The gate is to stop the noise that your mic recorded. There was a lot of noise,
I think your mic is close to an electric device (monitor, computer, TL light??).
That will give you problems when you try to compress your voice. Can you try
placing your mic somewhere away from devices and be sure it's absolutely silent
in your room while singing? You can buy reflection filters around your mic like
this one: https://www.bax-shop.nl/microfoon-reflectiefilter/devine-rf-20-reflectiefilter
Did you use one?
Since your 'P' sounds loud, maybe also try to use a pop-filter might help.



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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #11 on: August 15, 2016, 03:38:03
Wow. Holy god. I don't even know how to begin thanking you for taking the time to do this.
It sounds so much better. Your notes are going to keep me busy for days hehe.
I don't have a pop filter or reflection filter or anything yet. I'm literally holding the mic in my hands when I record.
I am definitely going to have questions if that's alright. I have tried doing EQ but don't quite have the ear for it yet I don't think.


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Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #12 on: August 15, 2016, 11:46:04
« Last Edit: August 15, 2016, 11:53:44 by MartiMedia »
Hey @AshBordeaux I was happy to help! Great to read it was actually useful haha.
Quick note: wow you hold the mic while singing? I'd really suggest to place it somewhere (and as said not too close to electronic equipment)! Or use a mic stand..
Yes of course man, if you have more questions please ask, we're here to help each other.
Btw I only used an EQ to roll of the low ends (decrease everything beneath 120 Hz in gain just to clear the rumble, which makes the mix sound cleaner), so I didn't EQ by ear any other frequencies..

Cheers! MM


Re: Everything That Rises
Reply #13 on: August 15, 2016, 14:41:15
@AshBordeaux  I fell in love with the lyrics when I first heard them.

@MartiMedia  has a gift and am sure he has stored up a truck load of Karma here and in other endeavors. I'm in the great state of Illinois (land of Lincoln) right now looking for a place to live (our New Jersey house is sold so we will soon be homeless) - I look forward to hearing this when I have my better headphones.

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Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 10:48:49
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