• For a moment (Haiku)
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For a moment (Haiku)
on: August 17, 2022, 23:13:32
A Haiku set to music - https://soundcloud.com/oorlab/naviarhaiku-449-for-a-moment
comments welcome on the instrumentation, recording and mixing off course.
Each week Naviarhaiku offers a new 3lined poem, that may inspire musicians. In this case I used Deepl.com to translate the English into Japanese, and then found a text to speech site to have a Japanese voice 'reading' it. If somebody knows somebody who speaks Japanese and would be willing to record it, let me know.
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Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #1 on: August 18, 2022, 10:20:07
« Last Edit: August 18, 2022, 10:45:55 by Mo »
That's a nice interpretation of the lines :) Thanks for the link. :)
In general, though, I'd like to add something to think about, and I hope I'm not offending anyone.

I absolutely understand the appeal of interpreting a haiku musically. However, I always find it very strange and disconcerting when Japanese or even Chinese elements are used for this purpose, when we are Europeans (or Americans, etc.).
The attempt of a pseudo-interpretation of a deeply different culture and meaning, which the fewest of us really understand, can only be very superficial and is highly silly not only in the eyes of the Japanese.
As silly as a group of japanese tourists wearing leather pants and a Gamsbart hat at the Oktoberfest, buying a plastic Kuckucks clock to hang it proudly and representatively at home, because they think it is a MUST-HAVE or MUST-DO of German culture. Or when pale europeans in indian dress, decorated with feathers and war paint visit a native americans Pow pow. That's rather cheesy, isn't it?

A haiku is 'just' a poetry 'form'. Nobody says that you are not allowed to create and interpret it 100% according to your own culture! It would be even desirable and would make all efforts much more serious and valuable.

 :D :D ;D :ok:



Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #2 on: August 20, 2022, 18:09:47
I like the track a lot @oorlab your use of the Ethnic Instruments is effective, in its own right. I especially liked the part where the drone develops. At that point it sounds less Japanese-y and more like World Music.

Points well taken @Mo especially the plastic cuckoo clock example. It’s not always clear when embracing another culture moves from respectful exploration to cheesy… or worse.

Still, Culural Preservation and Multi-Culturalism each have their place. Indeed, Multi-Culturalism seems inevitable…. I’m not sure it’s possible to have a distinct culture un-influenced by another. History is deep…


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Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #3 on: August 20, 2022, 20:12:52
Thanks for the feedback @Mo  and @1roomstudio . Agreed - pseudo-interpretation is a pitfall to be wary of. There is some background in my family with Indonesian music, and my synthesizers are Japanese - they have nice Sho, Wadaiko, Koto and Shamisen sounds - specially the Roland D10.
https://www.synthmania.com/D-10.htm
I always liked musical cooperations of Ryuichi Sakamoto with several European and African  musicians ( David Sylvian, Yousou N'dour).
Sakamoto mentions the interetsing term OUternationalism in this interview
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/nine-essential-ryuichi-sakamoto-collaborations-to-know/


The next Haiku, I might try to give a German or French twist.  :pompom:

A mountain village
under the piled-up snow
the sound of water.


Ein Bergdorf
unter dem aufgetürmten Schnee
das Rauschen des Wassers.

Un village de montagne
sous la neige amoncelée
le bruit de l'eau.

https://www.naviarrecords.com/2022/08/17/naviarhaiku450-a-mountain-village/


Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #4 on: August 21, 2022, 19:43:02
Hola @oorlab


I really like the introduction, it has a good reverb surrounding it, giving it space and then the bombshell... I was shocked at first by the type of treble on the keyboard... Then I integrated. Perhaps the interruptions that I call bombshells, the bridges, especially the second that joins the next modern paete, have left me rhythmically in the air, although later the beat has channeled it. Perhaps some kind of rhythmic sound in that bombshell that I tell you would serve to hold the rite? For the rest I like the idea although I would go elsewhere inspired by the intro, another type of modern sounds perhaps?

Stay well

Mora
I did not know that to live I had to die so many times
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Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #5 on: August 22, 2022, 11:36:57
Gracias @Mora Amaro La Loba  for the feedback. I had no specific intentions to mix bombshells with treble - so I can do a remix and replace the soundcloud file.  :praise:


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Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #6 on: August 22, 2022, 17:48:00
A Haiku set to music - https://soundcloud.com/oorlab/naviarhaiku-449-for-a-moment
comments welcome on the instrumentation, recording and mixing off course.
Each week Naviarhaiku offers a new 3lined poem, that may inspire musicians. In this case I used Deepl.com to translate the English into Japanese, and then found a text to speech site to have a Japanese voice 'reading' it. If somebody knows somebody who speaks Japanese and would be willing to record it, let me know.
 :praise:

I can’t say I thoroughly understand what’s needed, but I have coached a Japanese lady. She has a very busy London, Paris, New York touring schedule, but if it’s a one off project I am sure that she will do it. This reading bit.
Let me no what you think, please.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #7 on: August 22, 2022, 21:30:03
@LePlongeur - that would be utterly cool!

@Mora Amaro La Loba  @Mo  - I have made a new mix, new instrumention, replaced 3 Asian VST's - and lowered the percussion
https://on.soundcloud.com/4mrc
thanks for your feedback so far
Cheers


Re: For a moment (Haiku)
Reply #8 on: August 23, 2022, 21:49:43
@LePlongeur - that would be utterly cool!

@Mora Amaro La Loba  @Mo  - I have made a new mix, new instrumention, replaced 3 Asian VST's - and lowered the percussion
https://on.soundcloud.com/4mrc
thanks for your feedback so far
Cheers

I like this, so much landscapes, atmosphere and vibrations!!! Good intro, it opens a special way for....
Stay well

Mora



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