• Hometown Song Competition: We Need To Talk (About England)
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« Last Edit: June 05, 2018, 21:57:00 by DanJames »
Hello! Here is my entry for the competition:

https://soundcloud.com/andomobot/we-need-to-talk-v01

The song is meant to work on 2 levels: a football song in anticipation of another shaky start to Englandís World Cup campaign in Russia this summer; secondly using ĎEnglandí as a metaphor for the foundations of a relationship- shared experiences of 'home' which 2 individuals will always have in common when all else has been stripped away.

Original idea here: https://soundcloud.com/andomobot/we-need-to-talk-about-england-wip-rough-first-draft/s-ymloe

Lyrics:

We need to talk about England.

VERSE 1
We met beneath the old beech tree,
Made a promise on the misty moor,
We swam in indigo seas,
Shared our warmth upon the shingle shore.

PRE-CHORUS
Replay our memories from the past,
The dreams we had were meant to last,
Not die like flowers in a vase.
It feels like hope has has its day,
There must be another way...

CHORUS
We need to talk about England,
Oh England, don't give up the fight,
Don't look away, deflect the guilt,
Let the castles that we built,
Turn to sand on the lordless tides,
And wash away before our eyes
We need to talk about England,
We need to talk about England.

VERSE 2
We took the tube into the city,
Just to flee the sullen clouds,
We drank and danced, you looked so pretty,
I had to steal you from the crowds.

PRE-CHORUS
Replay our memories from the past,
The dreams we had were meant to last,
Not die like flowers in a vase.
It feels like hope has has its day,
There must be another way...

CHORUS
We need to talk about England,
Oh England, don't give up the fight,
Don't look away, deflect the guilt,
Let the castles that we built,
Turn to sand on the lordless tides,
And wash away before our eyes

BRIDGE
So this is our England,
Oh England don't give up the fight,
This is our England,
Oh England don't give up the fight
We need to talk about England,
We need to talk about England.


Good luck everyone!

Dan


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Nice words and sentiment @DanJames and I love the use of such an iconic photo for the song on Soundcloud.

I read the words first and was hearing a folk song in my head for some reason. I particularly liked the reference to "lordless tides"

The actual song is really good - I like the laid back almost halting vocals.

The slow tempo really works - it feels like it's holding back a little as I almost want the beat to speed up but I think you've got it right. It adds some gravity to the words having the beat this slow.

It ends a little abruptly is probably but I'm sure that's intentional.

great entry for the comp.

cheers



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Hey @Jurgen ,

Thanks for listening and for taking the time to comment.

The song speed (110bpm) is meant to be reminiscent of early Oasis (ie the 90s Brit-rock sound, thanks to @MrBouzouki for the suggestion) I didnít even try to imitate the vocals though! the lyrics and meter of the verses were written with English folk songs in mind , so Iím pleased you picked up on that!

As for the abrupt ending, Iím keen to understand what you mean here, especially as I still have 4 days to make some last minute tweaks... do you mean that the Ďrepeat to fadeí comes too early in the song, or that the end of the fade is too abrupt?

Thanks!

Dan


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 The 110 bpm is the absolute limit for me. Really canít remember having done a song quicker than that.
So itís not only the bpm count that falls into the I like it a lot spectrum.

With the deadline approaching, I definitely have to start thinking about the ranking. If the prescribed way to rank makes ranking possible at all.

Come to think of it, I think weíre the only two flat out electrics in this game?
Lots of luck to you.
Kind regards, Gus


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Hey @Jurgen ,

Thanks for listening and for taking the time to comment.

The song speed (110bpm) is meant to be reminiscent of early Oasis (ie the 90s Brit-rock sound, thanks to @MrBouzouki for the suggestion) I didnít even try to imitate the vocals though! the lyrics and meter of the verses were written with English folk songs in mind , so Iím pleased you picked up on that!

As for the abrupt ending, Iím keen to understand what you mean here, especially as I still have 4 days to make some last minute tweaks... do you mean that the Ďrepeat to fadeí comes too early in the song, or that the end of the fade is too abrupt?

Thanks!

Dan

I've had a couple more listens @DanJames and it's actually OK. So I think it must have been something with my connection (or my imagination!) the first time I heard it.

It ends just fine mate

cheers


Well, @DanJames  - I've gone to listening to a Canadian Tango, to English Pop. What a competition! Very nice song!

 ::thumb::

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Hi Dan,

Great song, awesome production!

I watched "Darkest Hour," the movie about Winston Churchill on a flight from
Hawaii to California (home).

If you've seen it, and I'm guessing there's a strong probability you have, WC's
way of inspiring his people to fight using only his words and body language, was
absolutely amazing!

Great job!

Best,

Reidmoto


« Last Edit: June 05, 2018, 01:18:33 by CrystalSuzy »
Fantastic production Dan! a brilliant write all round ::thumb:: I can hear the chorus being sung as an anthem in stadiums at any game! Very catchy indeed  ::Note::
Great vocals and I love the pop rock vibe  ::heart:: You'll do well in the comp for sure  ::Suzy::


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It's great hearing how this song has developed @DanJames - the guitar riff is well catchy
Good Job

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This is great @DanJames .... very poppy and infectious - has anthem written all over it... It reminded me a little of Billy Bragg and not because of New England (I think - or maybe that nudged me in that direction - your production is obviously much fuller)... The instrumentation and production is great.. Love the pre-chorus particularly - very grabby indeed..


I've said it on one of the other competition threads but this is going to be a bloody mare to vote on!


Great stuff altogether...


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Hi @DanJames ,

this is a very good song. I love the Beatles vibes that come through at some points in time.

The production could be a bit "cleaner" as it sounds a bit "muddy" at times. But if you manage to let a pro mix the song this could be a hit ;-)

All the best!

Fabian


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Hey @DanJames

If this song doesn't motivate the english team, what then? It's great how all your energy unfolds in the chorus. And these cheering fans at the end are the icing on the cake.
Britpop at it's best! Congratulations! ::headphone::

Cheers,
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This is great @DanJames , in particular love the chorus.
I was expecting something along the lines of an all out overt worldcup anthem like
the lightening seeds, three lions, but the lyrics weren't at all cliched.
good one!
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Very anthemic @DanJames, hopefully you can get a bit of World Cup viral traction going for this - maybe try sending it to some UK sports channels by looking up their researchers on LinkedIn and then shamelessly spamming them! Ha ha!  ;D


It's very polished this, especially in the choruses which are fabulously layered so that they become climactic. Lead guitar very catchy too. Hopefully you've erm ...scored a goal with this, maybe even won the cup!  ;D  ::thumb::
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Thanks @MrBouzouki @Zedd @Jurgen @Mark Luto @MichaelA @junemay @Dakoda @LePlongeur @CrystalSuzy @Vince @reidmoto for your nice comments.


It reminded me a little of Billy Bragg .


Great! I'm a big fan of Billy Bragg's early stuff (80s)

It's great hearing how this song has developed @DanJames - the guitar riff is well catchy

Thanks for your initial feedback which helped shape the song style and some minor lyrical tweaks!

Hi @DanJames ,

The production could be a bit "cleaner" as it sounds a bit "muddy" at times. But if you manage to let a pro mix the song this could be a hit ;-)

Thanks Fabian, but I'm not sure even a pro could could do much with it- the problem is with my cheapo recording equipment!