• Never Took The Time
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Never Took The Time
on: June 23, 2018, 21:41:53
« Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 00:36:28 by SoulEstate »
I just found this board recently. I wish I had known about it while I was recording this song. We will be starting a new project soon so I’ll be asking for feedback as I go. But for now here’s one that’s finished... thanks for listening.      https://m.soundcloud.com/seoras123/never-took-the-time-words-and-music-by-rick-morse

This song begins softly with an acoustic guitar and piano but picks up after the first couple of measures. We used live drums, two electric guitars, two acoustic guitars, bass and piano. Hope folks listen and feel free to leave comments. Thanks.


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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #1 on: June 23, 2018, 22:55:20
That's very nice music @SoulEstate , thanks for sharing! Welcome to the kitchen, I'm looking forward to listening to more of you... ::headphone::

Could you please post the lyrics? There are many kitcheners who like to read along, me included.

Wow, what a special ending! I like it!

Cheers,
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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #2 on: June 24, 2018, 00:18:15
Thanks for your comments Mark. Here are the lyrics:


(Intro) in Em

I never thought that you
Would try to put the blame on me

I tried to come around - well
It just ain’t plain to see

Like this thing I never knew
I never took the time to see

If we’d only taken the time to look around

(Instro in Em) end instro with G#maj7 (walk up to G)

One and one make two you know
I don’t think you had to go away

Say you want your liberty - we’ll
I don’t have a recipe for you

The sun is up, the fields are high
There doesn’t seem to be a reason why - oh no

I never thought that you
Would try to put the blame on me

I tried to come around - well
It just ain’t plain to see

Like this thing I never knew
I never took the time to see

If we’d only taken the time to look around
If we’d only took the time to get our feet on the ground
If we’d only listened the last time around

(End with G#maj7)


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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #3 on: June 24, 2018, 02:58:09
This is  some really fine playing. It's a very good arrangement as well, allowing all of the instruments to have their say. A lot of very cool changes going on.....definitely kept my interest all the way through. VERY cool ending.

I am intrigued by the unique vocal placement with the lead vocal panned out pretty hard left and right and the backing vocals more in the center.....I think I like it.  :)

Welcome to The Kitchen. Take a look around and see what folks are up to. Let folks know you stopped by at their threads so they'll swing by here and give this excellent tune a spin. I'll be looking for more from you.
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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 08:25:01
A very new and storytelling new voice in the Kitchen @SoulEstate !
Welcome. And I like it a lot.
The mix reminds me of late 60’s/early 70’s.
I could easily get used (in a positive way of course) to this kind of quality and attention to detail.
I’m a not native speaker, so please see through the way I kill the English language now and then.
Kind regards, Gus


Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 16:04:40
« Last Edit: June 26, 2018, 23:05:18 by SoulEstate »
Leonard, obviously very close listening on your part. You are correct about the vocal mix. The main vocals were recorded twice and each were panned hard left and right with the backup vocals dead in the center. Peace.


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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #6 on: June 27, 2018, 01:10:38
Welcome to the kitchen @SoulEstate

This is impressive - lots going on but it all fits.

It has a real 70s sound to me - takes me back to when bands really crafted songs. In saying that though, the guitar sounds modern, the distortion effect (amp or pedal?) sounds really warm and fresh.

And yes... great ending

cheers



Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #7 on: June 27, 2018, 05:03:22
Jurgen, thanks for your comments. So... the guitar tone detail as I recall is this: Gibson Les Paul (’57 humbucker bridge pickup), mic’d through a Musicman ‘65 tube amp turned up to (volume 2/ master volume 6) club playing volume level. Most of the distortion comes from a Carl Martin hot drive ‘N’ boost in line with a Boss compression pedal. The amp was mic’d from about 3 feet with a Sure SM58.


Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #8 on: June 27, 2018, 10:02:40
Well done sound!
And very very nice guitar melodies.
Great :)
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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #9 on: June 27, 2018, 15:55:10
Hi @SoulEstate , welcome to the kitchen

that is great songsmithing!!! i very clear and good mix, and a super nice song  ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb::
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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #10 on: June 30, 2018, 01:20:08
Jurgen, thanks for your comments. So... the guitar tone detail as I recall is this: Gibson Les Paul (’57 humbucker bridge pickup), mic’d through a Musicman ‘65 tube amp turned up to (volume 2/ master volume 6) club playing volume level. Most of the distortion comes from a Carl Martin hot drive ‘N’ boost in line with a Boss compression pedal. The amp was mic’d from about 3 feet with a Sure SM58.

That's interesting @SoulEstate  - so I thought it was modern sounding but it's actually (on paper) old sounding gear - 57 pickup, 65 amp! It's a great sound regardless and also interesting that you mic the amp from 3 feet. I was told recently by engineer when we were recording songs, to have mic an inch of so from the cone. Will need to experiment more next time


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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #11 on: June 30, 2018, 16:13:42
@SoulEstate ....thanks for that info about how you captured that excellent guitar tone. I LOVE hearing real amps.......that from a guy who tracks through an Eleven Rack these days when I go electric.

Back when I had the space for real amps I often tracked two or three small tube amps at once, each dialed in slightly differently and mic'd up close with a dynamic.....and then had a Shure KSM32 out in the room. I miss those days. My tube amps make for excellent end tables these days.  8)


Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #12 on: July 01, 2018, 13:03:00
What an interesting amalgamation of styles.  There's a Pink Floyd thing happening a lot of the time, but some of the guitar licks, passing chords, turn arounds and transitions are Beatlesesque,  (like the ending verse/chorus).   The first time I listened, I found going from one style to the other was jarring.  Even the vocal phrasing jumps between the two styles.  But after listening a few times, I found it more and more cohesive.

I like that it starts with what I consider to be the chorus. But is it?? I'm not sure! As I listen, and not paying attention to the lyrics - I don't really know "intuitively" where/what the chorus is.  It's hard for me to tell because all the section writes are strong and "chorusy."  I'm not exactly sure what I would do about it.  In some ways - this could be two songs.

One production related nit that caught my attention:  The lead guitar is perhaps a bit too loud, especially when the vocalist is singing.  Two solutions come to mind ..well three really. One is to automate/ride the fader in those critical places where it steps on the vocal (I think you're already doing that a little). Another is to make the guitar a little thinner EQ wise during those sections. But the last, which is a great trick, is to put a gentle compressor on it and key it to the vocal track such that it slices off just a db of guitar whenever the vocalist is singing.  A little goes a long way - and it will help the vocal to glide on top of the guitar in those critical places.

Overall, this is entirely enjoyable - a nice recording with very capable musicians and solid performances.

Congrats, -Mark



Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #13 on: July 03, 2018, 22:44:04
First of all I want to thank those who have commented on this quirky song.  M57 stated that it could be two songs but it could probably be at least three. ;D  I had all those parts rambling around in my head for a while and I just arranged/pieced them together. The little piano/guitar intro as well as the bass/drum part were mixed in after the rest of the song was completed. Several comments about the ending were made. The ending is the last G#maj7 chord reversed and the mixed into itself. It builds into that short crescendo and the resolves to the last chord, an Em (spanning two octaves) played on the lowest notes of a Yamaha p-115 digital piano using the strings section. Basically I wanted the song to be simple but have an interesting arrangement. Anyway, that’s the way I see it. I hope everyone’s fields remain high... 


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Re: Never Took The Time
Reply #14 on: July 04, 2018, 00:06:45
Wow! I love the bass and guitars! Amazing! The vocals kick ass too! You're a master arranger and producer! I too love the changes, and they
fit perfectly for the parts of the song, as another Kitchen member commented on.

You are super talented, and keep up the great work!



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