• Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
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Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
on: December 07, 2019, 20:21:35
« Last Edit: December 07, 2019, 23:15:53 by Pleudoniem »
Hi guys,

About a year ago we did a Challenge about a misunderstanding. I sent a song called That's Not What I Meant at All, and it did quite well. It was a bit surprising to me as the song had been recorded with quite inferior tools. I then suggested I might re-record it if it did well. And it did, so I thought I'd give it a go. First I tried a variety of tools on the old song in an attempt to up the quality, but that never really worked the way I had in mind. So then, I thought I'd stick to my intention and do it all over again, but now in the studio. That's more like I meant it after all.

Ah, and the lyric again...

Let us mail then
You and I
Until the message
Meets the eye
Full of
Expectation
To keep the
Conversation
Let us sit and
Strike the keys
And hope that
All the other reads
Is true to our intent
And really what we meant
When words lie bare
Upon the desktop where
We hope and do pretend
That we donít miscomprehend

I know what is killing me,
This throbbing insecurity
Thatís not what I meant at all
Thatís not what I meant at all

Let me add a smilee
And hope it will erase
Our ever present doubt
Or should I add another
To rectify
And justify
And signify
Whatís there and what isnít.
What I meant
And what I didnít
A message lies defenseless
Naked and helpless
I guess Iíll take a guess
And hope you comprehend


and this was the link:

https://soundcloud.com/pleudoniem/thats-not-what-i-meant-at-all
Pleudoniem: composer; bass guitarist; guitarist; singer; drummer; tap-guitarist - o, and yes... erm- a bit of keys. Open for collabs.
SoundCloud Page: https://soundcloud.com/pleudoniem


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 21:37:39
@Pleudoniem
interesting new version. Do you have the old version still somewhere online for comparison?
You have recorded this in a studio, or in your regular home studio?
Digging the strings, a lot - very au natural.
Mixwise, I'd lower the distortion guitar a bit at "I know what is killing me" - or pan it a bit away from the middle where the vocals
and add some backing vocals on "Thatís not what I meant at all"

but these are just after thoughts.
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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 21:51:35
@oorlab My home studio.

I've lowered the guitar a bit. Panning it doesn't work well. In the original, the guitar was even louder.

The backing is mostly done with the strings. I am not sure about extra backing vocals. The song is quite busy already. That is, unless some Lady from the forum would like to sing them and send them to me. I'd be very interested to try them out.


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 21:54:33
For storytelling purposes I'd ease up the drums a bit - they make it ''busy' - but some extra vocals in harmony - on just those two lines I mentioned, may work as a charm. Just there. male or female wuldn't make much difference for the musical effect.


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 22:33:39
@oorlab It's a funky drummer pattern, that is always busy  :-\. I've added an extra background choir now. Is that what you were thinking of?


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 22:38:23
@Pleudoniem
will listen asap.
A drum pattern - can you edit that, or is it in the mix 'as is'...?
if you have it as Midi in your DAW you could use the little gum pointer to prune the busiest parts...



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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 23:02:30
« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 22:50:27 by oorlab »
@Pleudoniem - cool choral effect indeed. You could sing it a 'terts' / third  / higher for even more choir effects. The drums exactly on that spot shouldn't really be playing a tom roll  or breakbeat.
But that's a detail. All in all a top song! Worthy of broader airplay.


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #7 on: December 08, 2019, 21:36:55
It's a mistake you didn't win that challenge......great song  ::thumb::
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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #8 on: December 08, 2019, 21:44:39
« Last Edit: December 08, 2019, 22:01:57 by Pleudoniem »
@Goatrelated Well, this version didn't partake in the challenge, so we won't really know, will we? Besides, @oorlab 's submission wasn't exactly a triviality. But it's a great compliment for the new version none the less :)


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #9 on: December 08, 2019, 23:45:56
What a cool arrangement. I enjoyed the strings especially, the little stabs here and there. Good stuff. The vocals imho needs to come up in the mix in the verses especially, they are a little buried.

Nice work mate!😄🎶👊🏻🎶


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #10 on: December 09, 2019, 00:15:41
@LostBoy I don't want to make the vocals much louder, as I don't think it would work very well on the total balance. The chorus was a tad softer than the verse though, so I've upped that a tad. See if it is better now?


Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #11 on: December 09, 2019, 22:30:01
Hi @Pleudoniem

I thought I had seen your post song and it turns out not ...
But since I've noticed I visit your song...

The lyrics are so... good!!! Who can't be identified? I love, among other lines, "When words lie bare"
The mix of styles on your composition is really great and works good here, a very interesting result.
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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #12 on: December 09, 2019, 22:38:40
Interesting song @Pleudoniem

I think the lyrics are really clever and I like the idea.

I'm with @oorlab on the mix - the fuzzy guitar doesn't sit well in the mix for me. It doesn't seem to suit the song which has a funky, jazzy feel.

The drums are really busy and crash cymbal sounds very fake.

When drums are this busy they can sound like a drum machine a little out of control.

When it all goes a little quieter around the 1.20 mark that to me sounds great.

It's all opinions though so feel free to ignore mine! I like the song that's the main thing

cheers



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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #13 on: December 10, 2019, 01:38:12
@Jurgen @oorlab @LostBoy Ok, I hear you. I am not sure about the fuzz being out of place, but I removed it none the less it just to see what the effect was. The result is just as agreeable to me, but I think you'll like it better, so I will leave it like that.

I've also done some drum pruning. It has a different feel now, possibly, as you say @Jurgen, more funky.

A couple of your remarks quite surprised me, Jurgen.

1) A drum machine gone out of control? I don't use any drum machines, I played every beat myself! Yes, I must admit was quite berserk at the time. Too much coffee, I guess... :bonk:

2) Funny you should say the crash sounds fake. True, I use midi, but the crashes are all recordings of actual drums, so if one sounds fake, well, tell the guys at Paiste (or Toontrack)... :-\ I changed it for another one though, because there must have been something to it that didn't feel ok to you  :no:. See if that one sounds better to you. The one I added now is an Istanbul Agop Dark Crash.

I love James Brown, I quite like busy drums, but I can see they have a downside. I suspect I'll be hearing about having to prune some drums in future releases.


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Re: Possibly THIS is what I meant after all...
Reply #14 on: December 10, 2019, 09:30:53
@oorlab It's a funky drummer pattern, that is always busy  :-\. I've added an extra background choir now. Is that what you were thinking of?

See how rotten my English is? I thought it was all about what you meant.
Ahhhh...., what do I know.
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