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Re: Standing There
Reply #15 on: January 19, 2020, 11:19:05
Ooooooooo .... I do love the opening @Leonard Scaper and it wouldn't be the same if done on a guitar.  I actually like the piano tone, it fits the mood of the piece to my ears. Maybe the guitar is a tad loud on some entries but that's nothing a bit of mild compression can't sort out.

The vocal effect at 1.19 ..ish and again at 2:17 when it goes 'telephone like' doesn't work for me. It disturbs the flow as you focus on the effect not the lyric. A beter option might be double tracked with the second voice having more reverb to give more sense of space. A vocal bloom perhaps ?

I hope you do more like this with piano and guitar, the keys backing acts as a nice bed for your voice and guitar.

I'm liking this new avenue of exploration :-)

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Re: Standing There
Reply #16 on: January 19, 2020, 13:22:05
Dear @Leonard Scaper , the more I listened to your song the better it got. It's very sensitive in every respect. The only thing I waited for in the beginning was a melodic change after the second verse but after a few times I got the feeling that the simplicity was in line with the lyrics. Like Redmando I would like the guitar to have a better place in the mix. To my ears it sounds somewhat detached from the rest while it could be more of a "backing instrument" to the song and your voice.
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Re: Standing There
Reply #17 on: January 19, 2020, 13:56:09
« Last Edit: January 19, 2020, 18:12:34 by Leonard Scaper »
@Charlie @robertkc @MrBouzouki @redmando ..........remix!

I spread that guitar more to the left to tuck it in behind the vocals. I also compressed it a bit more and took a bit more 1.5 KHz out of it. While I was at it I tweaked the gain automation in a few spots to bring it in a little less obtrusively.

I messed with that vocal effect as well. I put the telephoned vocal on a separate track so I could just bring it in a little bit.

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Re: Standing There
Reply #18 on: February 01, 2020, 09:02:34
« Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 09:04:53 by LePlongeur »
I hope that you donít mind if I post something here, where I seem to have missed the subtleties of your language, @Leonard Scaper .
And I post it, because I hope to learn something mainly. I guessed that as the English have no problems with still water, there would be no objection to a still stone.

So either youíre joking, or I donít understand your quote.
Itís a lengthy peace, sorry for that.

The eerie felling was (of course) that for an hour, the world revolved around me. I am realistic enough to know that it was only an hour. (Smiley)

Part of my stellar day post:

Somebody, with a scientific background, mentioned that everything is moving. Continuously.
The earth moves, therefor everything moves.

My own pictures of the only object on earth that is standing still are not shown here, so I've jotted in a time lapse.

https://vimeo.com/161442363

The text is copied here too, but please beware! The exhibition was held in 2016!

From 6 February till 10 April de de Appel arts centre presents the solo exhibition by Alicja Kwade.

Stellar Day (23 Stunden, 56 Minuten, 4,099 Sekunden), 2014
Rock, motor, cable, 100 x 120 x 50 cm
At first glance this appears to be a normal rock. Looking more carefully, however, you will notice that the rock (which weights approximately 400kg) is slowly turning on its axis; clockwise, so against the rotation of the earth. For those who are patient: it takes the rock a total of 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4,099 seconds to make a complete rotation. This is the exact same amount of time as a sidereal day, which is the amount of time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees in relation to the fixed stars. The rock can be seen as the only thing on earth that is
not moving and as such, exempt from the laws of physics.

Bend. Break. Stack. Mirror. Visual artist Alicja Kwade (DE) uses different strategies in her work, based on thorough scientific-artistic research. She manipulates everyday objects and materials Ė a pallet, a bicycle, a door, a nightlight, a mirror Ė and turns them into new shapes which she presents as separate sculptures or installations. The result often feels introverted and formal, but also frequently has a humoristic undertone. Kwade creates sensory illusions that test our thought and perception. She pushes the viewer to contemplate the nature of objects and to question what is actually really Ďtrueí in the reality that surrounds us.

This exhibition is curated by Marc-Olivier Wahler

The reasons I post this:
- we a curious and creative bunch, aren't we?
- And I was curious if I could post pictures without hosting. Apparently not...

And yes, it was a joint exhibition and I came for Saskia Noor van Imhoff's (who was in Het Stedelijk at the same time!) stuff, but I spend hours in the vicinity of Stellar Day. What a lot of mind power!

End of quote.

I hope you will take the time to explain.
And, yes, I listened to your all new/differently mixed  song and I am unable to tell you which one I like better.
Probably the last one/more recent one.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: Standing There
Reply #19 on: February 02, 2020, 11:31:19
Hey Gus @LePlongeur ....not sure which quote you'd like me to explain. But that's a cool exhibit.

Regarding everything moving.....I think that at a quantum level all matter is in motion. Not only that, but everything that you think is solid is made of of space. There is so much empty space in the atomic structure of our bodies (99.999% empty space) that if you put together all of the real solid matter in the human body....it would be about the size of a grain of dust.


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Re: Standing There
Reply #20 on: February 02, 2020, 15:11:00
I canít seem to keep it small, light.
So please donít think that itís very important. Itís just that I wrote:

Not only that the stone was perfectly still, @Leonard Scaper , I got permission to sit on it for an hour.

And to me it seems like you are stricken by the fact that that stone was the only object on earth that was not moving.
So either I wrote clumsy English (yes, why not) or your quote that the stone was perfectly still was not fully understood. By me.
And from a Ďhow to better my englishí  point of view, itís interesting to know what your intentions were. Good intentions. Of course.... you donít need to explain that bit.....

I know of some politicians who think that the whole world revolves around them. But, 100% true, while on the stone it revolved around me. I was brought up well enough to understand that it was a temporary state of things.
Kind regards, Gus


Re: Standing There
Reply #21 on: February 02, 2020, 16:18:12
You get so many comments on your songs @Leonard Scaper  , instead of a review I just thought I'd tell you I totally enjoyed listening to this song.  Such nice piano playing.

Vince


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Re: Standing There
Reply #22 on: February 02, 2020, 18:50:33
Thanks, @Vince  Best review a songwriter could ever ask for.  :)


Re: Standing There
Reply #23 on: February 05, 2020, 00:44:58
Hey @Leonard Scaper it's been a while and so lovely to hear this - unusual to hear a piano number for you (please mic up your acoustic!!).. This made me sad. Beautifully written - very emotional and evocative..  Have you treated the vox differently around the 1.17 mark or is it my imagination? Lovely harms - really add texture to it.. Nice piano playing too..

And that Lenny "oh" is  a nice touch..

Sad and lovely.. A little treat!

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Re: Standing There
Reply #24 on: February 05, 2020, 01:24:20
@Zedd ....Lenny is smiling that you got to listen to this one, Karen. There is some sadness in there for sure......sadness and...accountability I guess.  ;)

Yes....I did some things to the vocals in a few places to put the feeling in a slightly removed space.

It will be a while before I can mic up an acoustic. I cut my thumb in a kitchen accident a couple of weeks ago....right in the exact place that hits the strings for my sound. I'm ok with that, though. I've been playing my kalimba instead.  :)


Re: Standing There
Reply #25 on: February 05, 2020, 01:29:19
@Zedd ....Lenny is smiling that you got to listen to this one, Karen. There is some sadness in there for sure......sadness and...accountability I guess.  ;)

Yes....I did some things to the vocals in a few places to put the feeling in a slightly removed space.

It will be a while before I can mic up an acoustic. I cut my thumb in a kitchen accident a couple of weeks ago....right in the exact place that hits the strings for my sound. I'm ok with that, though. I've been playing my kalimba instead.  :)

Sorry - I was unclear - I meant mic up your acoustic piano! Iíd love to hear it. Hope your thumb heals quickly - sounds nasty!

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Re: Standing There
Reply #26 on: February 05, 2020, 14:38:01
Sorry - I was unclear - I meant mic up your acoustic piano! Iíd love to hear it.

Oh... @Zedd ! Well I have mic'd it up and it doesn't sound all that great. It's old and I have to tune it all the time while I'm playing it. I love that piano, though......I spend hours sitting there just seeing where my fingers end up.


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Re: Standing There
Reply #27 on: February 10, 2020, 20:38:57
Hey Leonard @Leonard Scaper 
very much enjoying "Standing There"
https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=13973542

Coincidentally the intro of this
https://soundcloud.com/annie-smart-1/heart-on-my-sleeve-by-dan-van-den-berg-and-annie-smart
Started to play in another window on my browser, while I press played on your song. I fitted well, the Spanish Guitar intro of Annie's song.


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Re: Standing There
Reply #28 on: February 10, 2020, 22:40:54
Hey @oorlab ....thanks for that. That's some pretty amazing Spanish guitar work in that other tune.


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Re: Standing There
Reply #29 on: February 12, 2020, 04:10:06
Very nice @LePlongeur - a very enjoyable listen.

An emotional song and the way you sing it and the use of piano really works.

I did like the guitar playing - I always like your lead work. I was just thinking this when I read @redmando comment on the guitar and of course he's right in that we all have different ears and tastes.

However, at around 3 mins mark - the guitar could possibly be a bit lower in the mix maybe...

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