• Sweet Love Goodnight
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Sweet Love Goodnight
on: January 29, 2020, 12:18:04
« Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 19:58:33 by redmando »
Anyone a fan of Schubert?

I got hooked last year by "Winterreise" which  inspired me to write my own song cycle - "The Winterland". The songs were written mainly on dulcimer - as that's what I have been playing mostly and it's a new way for me to generate melodies.

Here's the introductory song - just voice and dulcimer: https://www.reverbnation.com/stevegrayandtheultrarayviolets/song/31498100-sweet-love-good-night

And a re-mix, after comments received, featuring more conventional panning: https://soundcloud.com/steve-gray-songwriting/sweet-love-goodnight/s-vlC3v

Sweet Love Good Night

In the month of May the birds were singing
When I came calling at your door
A stranger bearing gifts of flowers
Could this be real? I wasnít sure

Yes, May was good, the bells were ringing
Talk of love and maybe more
Then came the wind and came the showers
A dismal June, to be endured

   For many years I sang my songs
   My songs of pain would turn to love
   For many years Ďthough I kept trying
   When I sang of love it turned to pain

I cannot choose my time of leaving
But I must go tonight
To find my way in the darkness
Companion moon, will cast itís light

In the winter months I love to wander
There are no rules, there is no law
A stranger once again Iím leaving
Sweet love goodnight Ė forever more

   For many years I sang my songs
   My songs of pain would turn to love
   For many years I kept on trying
   When I sang of love it turned to pain

I wonít disturb your restful sleeping
My feet tread softly in the snow
Iíll write your name, Iíll not forget you
Sweet love goodnight Ė itís time to go
Today I'm only one day older. Do you think my hair's turned grey?


Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #1 on: January 29, 2020, 20:54:26
I like the simple presentation. It works very well as a vehicle for the feel of the song. Definitely a bard feel to this. I am picturing you up on the small dais in a smoky room......log fir in the huge hearth and tankards of mead being hoisted around the tables before you.

Are you planning on developing this further?
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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #2 on: January 29, 2020, 21:28:41
Thanks @Leonard Scaper . I was thinking of keeping this one as it is. Originally all of the songs in my song cycle were this simple as I wanted a bleak feel to it, but it got a bit samey, so I have developed a few of the arrangements on some of the later songs to try and make it more listenable.

You never know - I might come back to it some time and do some arranging on it. Any suggestions?


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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #3 on: January 30, 2020, 07:48:05
And what a beautiful instrument it is. Itís almost non existent in the Netherlands. Only proof that football isnít everything.
I am not fully convinced that a cycle with sparse dulcimer backing would be too much of the same beauty. I think I would happily sit that one out. Enjoying the uniqueness. And, if youíve developed your song to uniqueness, what else do you want? Or what more do you want? But I have to sail to your compass.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #4 on: January 30, 2020, 12:38:44
Great song and great style. It reminds me of some turkish folk music.

Personally I don't like the panning that you use on this. But that's a preference. I feel you could get more out of it if you filled up the sound and allowed that gentle repetitive dulcimer to wash over you as it places you in a trance. At the moment, just my right ear is going into a trance. haha

It's great in the simplicity as it is. I'm not sure I would care for producing it with more instruments.

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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #5 on: January 30, 2020, 17:03:21
Hola @redmando


I like the simplicity of the song accompanied by the dulcimer. It has that color that gives that timbral so pleasant.
Your eternally broken love song is full of moments, the walk with the companion moon is beautiful
I love the air this phrase has
"Yes, May was good, the bells were ringing
Talk of love and maybe more"

Saludos

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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #6 on: January 30, 2020, 21:18:20
@redmando sounds sweet that riffing! nice!
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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #7 on: January 31, 2020, 23:24:55
@redmando  - ver good! keeping it natural and simple. True art. Agreed with @Monty Cash Music   - that the panning might be a bit too much, the voice is quite on the right - musically not a problem though. This could  be a nice entry for Fresh on the Net. Can you explain a bit about the Dulcimer? Did you buy it new, does it need special strings? Is it difficult to play?
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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #8 on: February 01, 2020, 22:40:21
Thanks for all your comments so far.

The panning is a bit of an experiment - going back to the freedom of earlier times when it wasn't always expected that vocals/drums/bass were dead centre of the mix. I have done it it on quite a few of the tracks on this song-cycle, to be consistent. Appreciate your comments on this, @Monty Cash Music  and @oorlab . I like the panning this way on speakers but not so sure it works with headphones. I don't want just one of your ears to go into a trance @Monty Cash Music  ! I think I will mix them all again, centred, and see which I and others prefer.

I agree @LePlongeur  , the dulcimer is a beautiful instrument. I have been playing it for about 4 years. Started off with a new one from Thomann (which needed some work to get the action sorted) but now beginning to collect them. And @oorlab it is very easy to play , but can be fairly complex too if you want to spend time with it. I just buy single guitar strings (different gauges) - usually strung in 3 courses, one of which is a double (like mandolin). Various tunings - DADD, DAAA and DGDA are common. 

Gus - I agree also that football isn't everything. Just got back from watching a nil-nil between Newcastle and bottom-of-the-league Norwich. Why do I bother?

Thanks for kind words @Mora Amaro La Loba  . Did you see my post in "collaborations"? I am looking for some vocals for one of the songs in this song-cycle. Would you be interested?

Cheers, Steve (Redmando)


Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #9 on: February 02, 2020, 01:05:34
The recording is very good. The panning of the dulcimer doesn't bother me nearly as much as the panning of the voice does.  The vocal needs to be centered. It's the song. The problem is that if you center the vocal, then the dulcimer makes the mix side-heavy.   My solution would be to record the dulcimer in stereo and then slightly pan it to either side.  Maybe that's too big and modern for the vibe you want, but that's what I'd do.  Also, and speaking of what "I'd do," I'm not a fan of bone dry recordings.  I would plead for you to indulge us with even the slightest bit of reverb, especially considering how close-miced your vocal is.


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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #10 on: February 02, 2020, 12:16:21
@redmando

Shoot us a link of your experiments. Can't hurt to get a second opinion.


Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #11 on: February 02, 2020, 13:24:21
« Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 21:07:54 by Pleudoniem »
@redmando  I compose to speakers, not headphones. I agree with @oorlab and @Monty Cash Music that the panning may distract from a song that, in itself, is quite nice. What it does to my ears is that the channels almost sound as if they don't belong together anymore - side-heavy, as @M57 says.

If that is to underline the topic in your lyric, then I quite understand. Thing is, when you're watching a group perform, you normally sit a bit at a distance, so the instruments would merge to the listener.

I think I'd crank up the vocal a bit, as it is a little hard to understand.

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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #12 on: February 02, 2020, 19:57:32
Thanks for your further comments @Monty Cash Music  @Pleudoniem and @M57  .

I have taken these on board and mixed with vox centred and dulcimer to L and R. I have also upped the reverb.

New mix: https://soundcloud.com/steve-gray-songwriting/sweet-love-goodnight/s-vlC3v


Have I improved it? I am never sure how much reverb works on my songs. Have I used too much, too little or any other suggestions as to how I could do it?

Cheers!


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Re: Sweet Love Goodnight
Reply #13 on: February 03, 2020, 14:47:41
 I like this better. I prefer that the vocals be a bit more prominent but that could just be that the treble of the instrument is very high and interferes a bit. You could try an atmospheric version with the stereo channels of the instrument widened even more with a bit of delay and some deep reverb. Duplicate the tracks or use a bus channel so you can directly control the dry signal. And the dynamics of the vocal track raised a bit too.

This is coming from a person that is wary of reverb. Haha

But hey, I'd like to hear what other people think. I'm using headphones to listen to this.



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