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Winter (Instrumental) - WIP UPDATED MIX 101218
on: December 05, 2018, 01:34:27
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 13:20:36 by MrBouzouki »
I've been a bit absent recently,  lots of real life stuff to sort and we are gearing up for our busy choir time of year with lots of Xmas concerts.

Despite that, I've managed to upgrade my Cubase again to version 10, bought a new woodwinds VST library and I've been busy working away on at least three projects. Two instrumental and one song.

One of them, Winter, came out of a simple arpeggio that developed into a complete orchestral track. I've used the following phrase to try and represent what I was trying to achieve with this. I'm hoping to hook up with a friend who does some natural photography , especially macro,  to do a YouTube collaboration with her at some point.

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A musical vision of Winter and the silence deep in it's heart. But there is still beauty to be found and life still goes on despite the dark and cold.

Instruments Used
Piano / Harp Harmonics / Strings (Con Sord) / Cello / English Horn / Shevannai (Vox) / Orchestral Chimes


I'm particularly liking the English Horn (Cor Anglais) -  last lead instrument) , to me it's a cross between a clarinet and oboe timbre.

Anyway, still Work in Progress and although I'm not doing any major revisions now, it's not at all fully mixed, so any observations are gratefully received.

I'm particularly  interested in what mood is conjured up  and does it feel Wintery. It does feel a bit melancholy to me which was the intention.
I'm hoping the dynamics work OK. I've also used the trick of slowly winding down the tempo throughout the piece so it's like it's slowly winding down, almost like nature winding down into the deep sleep of Winter.

I've used harp dynamics to take over from the piano later in the piece and I noticed  a few of the lower notes are thunking a bit later on. I need to fix that as I wanted a lighter version of the arpeggio and it breaks the mood when you hear them. I'm also not sure on some of the Vox notes but I can fix that too.

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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 12:26:52
Do not have any doubt about the state of mind that your music provokes, personally it has made me sad rather than melancholic. I find the instrumental development very well taken and the harmony is very well combined. The English Corn always has that particularity of recreating landscapes and languid and nostalgic moments.
The voice at some point reminds me of an instrument.
Yes, your piece brings winter and snow tears.
I did not know that to live I had to die so many times
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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #2 on: December 05, 2018, 13:32:45
 Beautifully done.
I was not aware of an English Cor, but it reminds me of the alto oboe I used to play before I was (incorrectly) advices that it was better for my health not to continue.
Beautiful sound.
Do you call this instrumental in England because there are no lyrics involved?
Singing without words? It reminds me of @Mora Amaro La Loba , there are no words, hidden in my head.
I hope you can see the humor in this, Mora, since I mean it in a good natured way.

But, @MrBouzouki , is your intention to make this part of the song cycle you have been working on ever so successfully ?

As a part of...., or stand alone, I like it very very much.
Thank you for sharing it with us.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #3 on: December 05, 2018, 13:45:31
Thanks for that @Mora Amaro La Loba , I'll take sad, as just like you, I'm hoping to add visuals to this in the form of wintery photos taken by my friend to make a YouTube video at some point . The contrast of the overall mood of the music and the images together should give the feeling that there is still hope as life goes on...

"But there is still beauty to be found and life still goes on despite the dark and cold"  ::thumb::

The lady singer in Shevanai is called Lara Ausensi, apparently she studies vocal technique and repertoire with Maestros Antonio Santos (Uni. of Indiana) and David Mason (Trinity College of Music). She is a baroque and belcanto specialist, also in world music and popular music, focused on jazz, celtic and folk music.

I still need to shape some of the vowels and legato lines in the vocal section but I'm getting there.


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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #4 on: December 05, 2018, 13:53:00
Hopefully a brand new cycle Gus (@LePlongeur) ... based around the four seasons and hopefully in collaboration with my photographic friend.

 ::thumb:: ::thumb:: ::thumb::

Yes, I would call it an instrumental because there  is no lyrical meaning as such and the voice to me is the purest instrument we possess and the most complex.

Still working on The Pilgrims Way too ... The Rainbow Arch features the Benedictine Monks as the idea of that track.

It's interesting that you played the Alto Oboe  and a shame you were encouraged to give it up. It's never too late to pick it up again or another of the woodwind family perhaps.


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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #5 on: December 05, 2018, 17:43:09
Nice piece, MrB. Yeah....it is definitely imparting a feeling of winter in all of its lonely and austere wonders. I have spent time in deep snows in the depths of long and cold winters and this piece brings me back to those days in a wonderfully introspective way.
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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #6 on: December 05, 2018, 19:06:08
@MrBouzouki  Your elegant sombre melody combined with the lovely vocalisations of Shevanai- a great combination.
Highly suited to video or photographic interpretation- I look forward to that development... and,yes, its all very wintery ::thumb:: ::thumb::
My only comment on the production would be the sound of the harp - I`m no expert on that instrument, but to my ears it doesn`t quite have the glissening, slightly metallic quality  that really sets it apart from other instruments.

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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #7 on: December 05, 2018, 20:12:11
Nice one here Mr. B.

Not sure what more you were planning to add to it. Seems pretty well done already!


Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 12:15:10
I'm now in the mood of doing nothing. I was already planning that today but now completely. Thank you for that. What a beautiful music!  ::heart:: ::heart:: ::heart::
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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 22:15:55
Entropy rules @Goatrelated ;-)

You know me by now @Timothy Smith - I'm worrying it to death. When it sounds like I hear in my head , or near enough, then it's job done.

Cheers @Leonard Scaper - your wild woodsman view, somebody who spends time close to nature from time to time, is great feedback.

Cheers @robertkc - yes it's harp harmonics and that sound is quite different from the strings,  i wanted a less dominant sound to take over from the piano, almost as you are getting deeper and deeper into Winter's cold heart, so the fact you think it's not too harp-like actually works for me.

Thanks for all the feedback folks - it looks like I'm on the right track

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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP
Reply #10 on: December 09, 2018, 16:06:03
A quick shout out to @robertkc as his comment reminded me I had to clean up the low frequency thumps of some of my harp harmonics

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"My only comment on the production would be the sound of the harp - I`m no expert on that instrument, but to my ears it doesn`t quite have the glistening, slightly metallic quality  that really sets it apart from other instruments"

As explained above, I didn't want a harp sound, more a delicate follow-on from the piano.

It just show the value of the kitchen (and it's ears) where little comments just help you tweak things to a better place.

Cheers mate, a bit of focused notch filtering and it doesn't jar now so job done.

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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP UPDATED MIX 101218
Reply #11 on: December 11, 2018, 18:45:26
Beautiful piece of writing there @MrBouzouki , it would make a great soundtrack for a Winter themed film or documentary.

The sound quality of some of these orchestral vst's is really something. All very moody.

I can't offer tips on improving it as it's out of my comfort zone, sorry, but if you were going to develop it in length I think a more uplifting animated section at the end would feel inspirational and liberating by way of contrast.  Then it could relapse into the somber mood again? Just a thought...

Lovely though, really.  ::thumb::
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Re: Winter (Instrumental) - WIP UPDATED MIX 101218
Reply #12 on: December 11, 2018, 20:08:26
@MrBouzouki

great music, you have this as winter and it works... I close my eyes and listen, I can find the frozen tundra of Russia,
a low flight across the waves of the Atlantic ...the great thing about instrumentals . 





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