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Would You Share Your Publishing ?
on: December 02, 2020, 17:02:20
I got a book out of the Library titled "Confessions Of A Serial Songwriter"  - nothing much to recommend about the book, but she does bring up a point of writers credit and publishing,,,, namely since that is where the money is at potentially, the "artist"  & team want at least half of the credit and publishing for them to record the song.  If you don't do it somebody else will

The question I'd liken to put forth is, would you give up any of your credit and publishing to have someone record your song?

For the record - I would in a heartbeat  ;D
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Re: Would You Share Your Publishing ?
Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 07:27:14
Hi @Vince
@Bill from November Sound posted https://www.songwriter-forum-kitchen.com/forum/seo/3/ruin-ones-chance-not-sure-what-to-call-this-thread/6621/

It is in café. I posted two quite lengthy pieces, that were completely different from the stuff other people posted. My pieces have not met with a lot of applause, so I must take the possibility into account, that it was not what Bill needed. But since I still believe I touched on valid points, I thought that maybe you could have a little read.

My posts were (in short) about the inequality between the writer/musician having to deal with business models and the business guys/girls who do nothing else and therefore have perfected their work to a certain degree.
Your aim is to get your music across, their aim is to make your music pay their mortgage.

If I understand your question well, I think I would ask one of the mods to remove your question to café where it will attract more attention.

If this attention to the business side of our trade is not your objective, then I am sorry. In that case I can’t help you.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: Would You Share Your Publishing ?
Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 14:19:49
oops @LePlongeur   your right, hopefully it will be moved or taken down, I don't mind. To be a little clearer, this is not to lead down the path of raging against the system, but more a question that was brought up by the book I read.

Would you give away some of your song writing credit and the publishing if some big name's people contacted you saying they were interested, but only if you would share (or give up completely) ?

Maybe some member has already done that, or been approached?  It seems to me most members are just doing their own thing for enjoyment so I'm expecting some no's if they reply. Me, like it ever would happen  ;D , would share the credit and whatever else. 


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Re: Would You Share Your Publishing ?
Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 15:08:39
It’s as old as the writing of music itself.
Carole King and her hubby wrote a huge pile of beautiful songs.
Phil Spector, the one trick pony, added an utterly lame and measly 4 extra lines, and wrote his name before goffin and king.
He did the same with every song he could lay his hand on and was very successful for a relatively short time.

And the answer to your question? No, I didn’t but then I was never asked. I was very successful for an even shorter time than Phil S.
I hope that you have some extra insight after reading my posts. In that case it was not a complete waste of time.

Success with your search. And if you want your thread in a different place, ask one of the management. Those are kind people.
Kind regards, Gus


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Re: Would You Share Your Publishing ?
Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 20:14:31
Personally I'm okay with this post in this board @LePlongeur  @Vince
but if moving is worth our whiel, we can call the help of the KitchenMover
In a good kitchen things always lay about :-)

I certainly wouldn't call Phil Spector a one trick pony, at least not before he went mad.
But that - off course is beside the _pointe_

On a song to song basis I could decide to sign away copyright to a well established artist. Why not. But I would never ever sign a contract that signs away all rights of all music (past, present and future) (co-)written by me  to a publisher. That happened to the Beatles, and some really interesting books have been written on that subject:

NEMS and the Business of Selling Beatles Merchandise in the U.S. 1964-1966 Terry Crain and faBgear 2020

 Come Together: The Business Wisdom of the Beatles
by Richard Courtney and George Cassidy 2011


The Beatles and Economics: Entrepreneurship, Innovation, and the Making of a Cultural Revolution (Routledge Economics and Popular Culture Series)
Samuel R. Staley 2020

Allen Klein, the man who bailed out the Beatles. made the Stones and transformed Rock & Roll - Fred Goodman, 2016

Would You Trust this Man with Your Songs?: A Life in the Music Business, Sam Trust 2018

 You Never Give Me Your Money: The Beatles After the Breakup
Peter Doggett 2010


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Re: Would You Share Your Publishing ?
Reply #5 on: December 11, 2020, 19:52:40
I applaud everything you write @LePlongeur   :dance:   

I, of course, was just getting conversation going. I was not necessarily planning to sell my house, all my possessions, buy a bus and start touring the Midwest.

 ::) 

meaning ... so to speak ... I don't really "need" anything. My life is what it is. I just think about stuff.     ... a lot.  :-\

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November Sound is based on the Mother, Father & Son musical trio of Melissa, Bill & Will. I'm the father so anything I post will have my wife singing and/or my son playing percussion.



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